More Contradictions at the Tower of Babel

There are three types of member at KopTalk: those who don’t know about the blog or what Dunk is really like; those who do, but don’t care; and those who are heartily fed up with him but, rather than cancelling their memberships, wait for them to expire and meanwhile provide us with screenshots and news from within. Dunk’s problem is that he has no idea which of the groups his members fall into. Is someone agreeing with him or is it sarcasm? Is that regular poster an ally or a blogger?

It’s a few from that last group that I have to thank for the research behind this latest update, as they picked up some gems I’d missed. If anyone else would like to help in this way, or even just donate their unused accounts, then I can be contacted in complete confidence on 1892.insider at gmail.com

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Some discontent at KopTalk, where many are tiring of Dunk’s vague style. The thread began like this:

#235633 – 08/07/07 02:49 PM Now that’s what I call Mágico
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Wednesday just gone, I’m informed that Rafa made a formal enquiry for him

What’s his valuation as I really have no idea?
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This is a typical technique to get people talking, but not everyone on the thread was impressed.

#235701 – 08/07/07 03:55 PM Re: Now that’s what I call Mágico [Re: Dave100]
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More crap instead of straight talking, but that happens alot koptalk.
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No to groundshare, if you are a true Liverpool fan you could never agree.

And no wonder people are annoyed on a site that, despite the sources Dunk boasts about, spent most of the past fortnight simply following the media in linking us with Quaresma and Mancini, when Ryan Babel was the real target. As the man himself suggested, you should have read The Echo, which published the news online at 11.33am on the 9th, followed at 12.49pm by Sky’s report of the same story on NewsNow.

KopTalk didn’t have a clue about that one. How would they cover it up? Huffing and puffing, as ever behind the other news outlets, here comes Dunk at 12.57pm:

#236444 – 09/07/07 12:57 PM Rafa´s £10million swoop
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Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez is closing in on a deal to sign Dutch ace Ryan Babel.

As hinted at by the editor earlier today, major news was due to be broke by the local (written) media either this afternoon or tomorrow, and as expected, local hack Chris Bascombe has put out such a report.

Bascombe writes that Liverpool have already opened negotiations with Ajax for the £10million-rated starlet who can play as an attacker or out wide on either wing.

KOPTALK sources insist that the boss has made “substantial progress” in the transfer market within the last 48 hours which subsequently means he can now pick and choose exactly who he wants at Anfield rather than having to fall back on weaker options.

Our source told us by email today: “Expect big news in the [Liverpool] Echo on Merseyside either today or tomorrow as they are waiting to run something about Ryan Babel.

“Only a handful of people are aware of the talks with Ajax so it is important that you do not confirm our interest until it is leaked either locally or nationally overnight Monday.

“There has been contact about Benayoun but he is not at the top of the list. He could still be signed along with possibly Deco, Mancini or Quaresma, if West Ham lower their demands, even if Babel comes in.

“Rafa has been talking a lot about Benayoun and there have been a lot of reports leaked to the nationals about Quaresma especially. This has kept everyone away from Babel.

“If Ajax agree to talk [for Babel], Liverpool will get this out straight away. It´s just a matter of time before something breaks.”
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Of course, that explains things! Dunk knew all along; he just wasn’t allowed to tell anyone else.

So, Dunk, you had a genuine piece of ‘insider’ information, ahead of the press, but chose to wait till after they’d published it to pipe up and say, ‘Me too!’ Remind us: just what are your members paying for that they can’t get elsewhere?

The first rule of lying is to remember what you’ve said. The problem is, Dunk’s not very good at it because, three days later on the podgecast, he was admitting that he hadn’t a clue about the Babel transfer, bizarrely dubbing him ‘Rib’. Someone should warn ‘Rib’ to watch out for him lurking outside Melwood.

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I’ll round off with a reminder to all members to check the autorenewals on their PayPal accounts. Yet another member had been paying him for Silver and even Bronze memberships, which are both long since defunct. If you have any, even if you want to remain a member, then cancel them all. You can always pay manually. Find out how here.

#240869 – Yesterday at 02:34 PM FAO Koptalk – Why Am I Being Charged Twice
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Apologies if this is posted in the wrong location but I have been charge my subscription fees twice, and both of different amounts? I have sent ye an email on the matter but feel the need to post it here as well. Could ye sort it out or explain? Anyone else find this?
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#240878 – Yesterday at 02:39 PM Re: FAO Koptalk – Why Am I Being Charged Twice [Re: gubbins]
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The following link may help you 😀

http://koptalk.helpserve.coN/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=4&nav=0
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#240887 – Yesterday at 02:43 PM Re: FAO Koptalk – Why Am I Being Charged Twice [Re: gubbins]
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Originally Posted By: gubbins
Apologies if this is posted in the wrong location but I have been charge my subscription fees twice, and both of different amounts? I have sent ye an email on the matter but feel the need to post it here as well. Could ye sort it out or explain? Anyone else find this?

You find the need to post it here? You’re more than welcome to if you think it helps 🙂

As Katie says, go to the support site at http://www.koptalk.inf0 and you will find details of how to rectify any problems you have.

If you have been charged 2 amounts, I assume, but don’t know as I haven’t looked, that you haven’t cancelled an old sub.

See the link she provided and also:

http://koptalk.helpserve.coN/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=10&nav=0,2
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#240893 – Yesterday at 02:49 PM Re: FAO Koptalk – Why Am I Being Charged Twice [Re: Dunk]
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Having had a quick look you have paid £14.00 (old Insider sub) and a £4.00 (old KT news sub). This means you are due to contribute another £12.00 for the year, thanks for pointing this out to us 😉

Seriously, you need to cancel both of those subs by logging into http://www.paypal.com – if you don’t know how to do this simply request help on a support ticket. We will then get you signed up on the proper sub and work it out so you are on the right membership as they are old ones.

We also need to get Steve or Katie to review everything for you. Any probs keep me updated or if you feel the need to tell everyone when you’re membership has been brought up to date, feel free to add to this topic
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#241165 – Yesterday at 05:44 PM Re: FAO Koptalk – Why Am I Being Charged Twice [Re: Dunk]
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Originally Posted By: Dunk
Having had a quick look you have paid £14.00 (old Insider sub) and a £4.00 (old KT news sub). This means you are due to contribute another £12.00 for the year, thanks for pointing this out to us 😉

Seriously, you need to cancel both of those subs by logging into http://www.paypal.com – if you don’t know how to do this simply request help on a support ticket. We will then get you signed up on the proper sub and work it out so you are on the right membership as they are old ones.

We also need to get Steve or Katie to review everything for you. Any probs keep me updated or if you feel the need to tell everyone when you’re membership has been brought up to date, feel free to add to this topic

Well I didn’t think I’d get ye’re attention and responses so quickly, hence the reason for ‘telling everyone’. For that I am grateful
I’ll have a look at the Paypal account and see what I can find.
There is nothing wrong with being suspicious when money is withdrawn from your account without full knowledge or approval
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#241209 – Yesterday at 06:17 PM Re: FAO Koptalk – Why Am I Being Charged Twice [Re: gubbins]
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I understand that, however, we cannot debit anyone’s cards as we please, it is impossible and PayPal can confirm this to you. We don’t even know anyone’s card details.

The only payments that can be taken by PayPal are the ones that you create yourself when you sign-up. Those terms are displayed when you sign up (try signing up now as a new member via PayPal but don’t complete the process and you will see what I mean) and they’re not in small print or anything, it tells you how the PayPal sub works.

These issues are only caused by the member not administrating their memberships properly. We cannot check everyone’s membership every day of the week because there’s so many people. What we do is every time a payment comes in we update your membership profile to include it so all the info is to hand when needed.

If a member hasn’t cancelled a previous sub for example, they only need to cancel it and inform us and we can issue a refund the same day.

You should ask PayPal if they emailed you notificiation of your payment(s).

Only the conspiracy theorists – those that are a bit thick or those that we’ve kicked off the site – believe we can take money from your cards when we feel like it, we can’t, and PayPal will confirm this.

Any probs, let me know. I suggest you open a ticket and get Steve or Katie to help you accordingly.

So to conclude, providing people read the payment terms – which I think is 1 or 2 lines on the PayPal site when signing up (which can’t be doctored!) – and providing people read their emails, there can never be any confusion.

All of this is explained on our support site but if you ever need any clarification, it doesn’t hurt to ask like you did

PS: The only time I reply to support questions on the forums are when I can pull someone up and cosh them with an imaginary bat
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No-one’s pretending that he can debit your account at will. He’s certainly right when he says that he can’t, but he likes to muddy the waters by saying that we claim he does. What he can do, though, is send you out a manual reminder to renew your membership when it’s often already done automatically, resulting in some people paying twice.

I particularly liked this part:

We cannot check everyone’s membership every day of the week because there’s so many people. What we do is every time a payment comes in we update your membership profile to include it so all the info is to hand when needed.”

He doesn’t need to check everyone’s membership every day. He can presumably tell when someone’s next sub is due, so that no-one stays on indefinitely for free, so why can’t he prevent payments for discontinued services? He says himself that they update profiles when payments arrive, so why aren’t these outdated payments picked up at that time?

A similar incident occurred with Johnny, an African member (see this earlier blog article) who overpaid by £94 from a combination of double payments and old memberships. It’s enough to make you suspect that he won’t tell you if you don’t notice.

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8 Responses to “More Contradictions at the Tower of Babel”

  1. Jocky Says:

    He treated Gubbins like a piece of shit just there.That guy was made to feel guilty for being suspicious.As for the made up mail he got!!Hahahahahahahahahaha.What a bluffer and a fat bastard

  2. Steve O Says:

    Got to love the line

    “As hinted at by the editor earlier today, major news was due to be broke by the local (written) media either this afternoon or tomorrow, and as expected, local hack Chris Bascombe has put out such a report.”

    Dunce, I am not sure which is funnier, your made up stories or you telling the truth. Is your insider info now just “Chris Bascombe has insider info”, Dunce, that is some thing we all know, we also know you have none, so for 30 quid a year you tell us to buy the echo.

  3. Jocky Says:

    I thought the fatman hates Bascombe anyway.The best was the time Mancini medical and how it fell apart at the 11th hour!!He is spinning the same lies all too often

  4. phil_mcavity Says:

    He’s a bigger liar than Bernard Mathews that Dunk. We can all have 100% accuracy on transfer news when we report after the transfer has been announced, he’s treating his members like a bunch of muppets. I’m just glad I got away when I did before the thieving gobshite could pinch another £30 off of me.

    As for the Gubbins debacle, he had every right to post the message wherever he damn well pleased. If Dirty Dunk hadn’t charged him twice he wouldn’t even have known, regardless of whether he paid the correct price or less. He’s quick enough to cancel your access if your subs run out though but can’t check every account to see who’s accounts have been double dipped? Come on Dirty Dunk do you really think we’re all as dumb as you? To be a tea-leaf or a grifter you gotta have a very good memory son. You haven’t so give it up.

  5. Ron Nasty Says:

    It’s beyond comprehension, that you pay to join a website where you are censored AND you don’t get what you pay for. Nuts.

  6. Red Lion Landlord Says:

    So, the podcast is primarily aimed at the blog now then? Everything I’ve heard on it so far seems to be just a wind up towards things said on this site.

    I imagine his paying members will be mystified, if they’d listen, which they won’t.

  7. Jacko Says:

    Oi love Dimcum Oi does. Oi tips moi hats to him Oi does.

    Oi doint know whot Oid do wiffoit his 30 quid insoight. Thieving bastard.

    PS Love the blog, but any fecker thats stupid enough to let the’on fat cunt take 30 scoops off them after a year of all this then tought shite they deserves it.

  8. JackBauer Says:

    “These issues are only caused by the member not administrating their memberships properly.”

    What a cunt. Happily helps himself to people’s money twice over and then says it’s down to everyone to “administrate” their membership because he can’t be arsed, the fat sack of shit.


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