"Oldham Exposed" there will be no book. Latest confession.

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He confessed today that there will be no book. He said if anyone ever paid him any money for it they should contact him and they will get a refund immediately.

So go ahead. Carpe diem! And remember to demand interest at a cumulative 8% p.a. which is about what the Small Claims Court would award.

As it happens he also claims today for the first time, that the book is finished.

How peculiar! He takes four years to write a book and on the day he finishes it he decides not to publish it!

It’s not as though he needs a publisher. He was always going to publish it himself. He said he already had 20,000 sales lined up for a potential revenue of £200,000 or more – that’s on the basis that the £5 was merely a deposit against a final price that could be £10 or more.

Is it feasible that a Fagin who sends his teenage relatives to Athens to tout tickets would turn down that kind of money?

We know about his sales because late last summer he mocked the blog by claiming it was our criticism that had led to a surge in pre-orders. If he did get 20,000 deposits at £5 that means he has to find £100,000 to return today, before interest is calculated.

In a particularly creepy form of exploitation of the 96 men and boys who died at Hillsborough, he claimed that he would make an unspecified donation to the HJC for every copy he sold of a book that claimed to “expose” the club they loved.

I suppose he will say that a pre-order is not a sale or use some other weasel words to wriggle out of this pledge. But I think he owes the HJC a lot of money for his use of their name to promote his book, himself and his money-grubbing site over four years. And if some of those who paid for the book are not refunded he should send that money with interest to the HJC and prove he’s done it with the published receipts.

But is his confession another victory for the blog?

Well yes, but we give him a rating of only 3 because he choked on it. He speculated that on his way out of KopTalk he might yet publish the book as one last spiteful attempt to expose his enemies at LFC and on the net.

I have always said that when he gets his public comeuppance he will try to profit it from it. But he won’t succeed. If he publishes it himself, we will copy it and let people read it for free.

There’s another more compelling reason he will never publish it – under any circumstances. Prosecutors and private plaintiffs have not brought actions against him – yet – because the precedents and logistics of going after fraud on the internet and defamation and libel are tricky. But the moment he puts it on hard copy, the game changes.

Presumably he would offer the legal defence that the book is true or fair comment. But in the process he would have to prove his claims to “Insider” information about LFC, he would have to reveal his accounts and his finances under oath.

I do not believe that anyone who is at arms-length would vouch for him or any of his claims.

And if he tries to use his children or his teenage relatives, or even his mother – as he has done when he was a defendant in previous court appearances – he might find they develop an independent backbone pretty quickly if asked about their personal involvement in his lies and scams and are reminded of the penalties for perjury.

He claims that the book was never meant to be negative about LFC despite its title, “Anfield Exposed”, and despite the lengthy list of negative teases for it that he published on the net for years. Like Billy Bunter rubbing his hand when he saw a wicker picnic basket – oh how he was going to enjoy exposing the “suits”, the players, the press and all the other rotters who have objected to his lies, he said.

He pulled that site from the net when the blog got on his case. But today he said he will bring it back – a site to publicise a book he’s not going to publish! The revised sanitised version no doubt! But its too late for that, we have screen shots of the old site HERE. Go below where Insider Insider checks off those claims.

He said “Anfield Exposed” was a working title. But he never changed it in four years and he used it remorselessly to drum up £5 deposits. I guess we will never know what the sweet and reasonable, or the kiddies, versions of the title would have been. Any suggestions?

Today, in his typical cowardly fashion, he tries to hide behind his family again – or at least his estranged wife. He claims he can’t publish the book because she receives prank calls at work.

He doesn’t accuse us of being involved – he is too cunning for that. Besides a mere insinuation is enough for some of his more gullible followers.

But if any of them think we were involved in those probably fictitious prank calls, Insider Insider has made a comment earlier and I reproduce it below.

“Dunk’s wife used to be part of the cons in years gone by. Before Dunk was kicked out he used to use “maria@koptalk.com” as a contact address for anyone wanting to join or asking for support. When he was kicked out that changed to “jeanette@koptalk.com” and then when she was too busy spending all the cheques sent to her but meant “for Lauren” Steve took over lacky duties.

If Oldham were to be investigated in depth and if the investigations went all the way back to the early days then Maria would probably be put into a situation where she’d lose her job. She was a big part of the fraud that Oldham carried out over the years.

The fact Oldham pretends she’s still a part of his site is a sign that he cares not one bit about what might happen to her. She’s more to lose than him (she’s either a nursery nurse or a teacher, depending on which stories you believe from Oldham). Oldham would lose his car and the website he’s nearly lost anyway. Maria would quite possibly lose the right to work with kids ever again.

If Maria has been pranked at work, it’s certainly not by anyone behind this blog. First of all – as I’ve said above – we’re not 100% sure of what type of work she does, we don’t know what kind of school she works at (if she does work at a school) and although we believe she works in Scarborough, we aren’t 100% sure of that. We assume she works there because Oldham has told us in past rants about how his kids don’t live with him in Newcastle, that they live in Scarborough and come to see him some weekends.

If Maria is getting pranked at work (and let’s face it, she’ll know if she is) she wants to try and get the school / work to report it to the police, immediately. Oldham (or his mam) will almost certainly be behind any prank calls. It’s what they do (like when they call ex-members of their sites at work to cause trouble).

Either Maria’s still a part of Oldham’s seedy criminal world or she’s not. If she is, she’s got a good chance of losing her proper job soon. If she’s not, she needs to get Oldham dealt with before he does help her to lose that job.

If you’ve got kids in Scarborough, possibly Wallsend, or nearby, and there’s a teacher called Maria Hartley or Maria Oldham, be wary.

Duncan Oldham thinks sleeping with 12-year-old girls is funny. If Maria knows this and allows her husband to be near her children she needs to have a good think about whether she’s in the right job.

And if your kids go to school with Oldham’s kids – well I’d have a word with the head teacher, or the LEA, for some advice.

(If we wanted to find out where Maria worked I expect we could without too much difficulty. The shortcut to that would be to call the LEAs for the areas where she’s likely to work. However I doubt she is a threat to kids anyway. Apart from her past as part of Oldham’s requests for other men to come and have sex with her, she’s not been involved herself directly in any of Oldham’s paedophile “jokes” or comments. Rather than speak to the LEA about Maria, I would say it would be time better spent if someone spoke to the LEA about Oldham, to ensure other parents are aware of what Oldham’s views are. I wouldn’t want my kids near him, with what I know about him, I doubt any parent would. As for Maria – well it seems she’s had the sense to get out, despite what Oldham claims, so I personally think she deserves a chance to make a life without the fat one and his scams, fantasies and cons.)”
I received screenshots of his no book confession from several in the KopTalk fifth column. So thanks to them all. But some of them could not be used because they were not in good format. In the end I used screenshots produced by Outside Insider.

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Hey Dunk when is the book ‘Anfield Exposed’ coming out, waiting in anticipation…

#180146 – Today at 11:56 AM Re: FAO: Dunk [Re: rix007]
Dunk Dunk
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I had planned to get it out this year but for reasons I don’t want to go into, I think it will be better doing this AFTER I leave the site or close the site, whichever I choose to do one day. If I go with it now it’d have to be wattered down to protect some people.

Since last summer some former members have made me into a bit of an internet celebrity () and some members of my family have been targeted by them as a result. I don’t think it’s fair on my family to create even more attention while still online (they’ve started pranking my wife’s work for example).

As previously stated on the site, I would urge anyone who has placed a pre-order deposit to simply request a refund to save messing them around any longer. Anyone that does that will be refunded the same day. To do this they need to open a support ticket at http://www.koptalk.info and explain how they placed a deposit. Even if you claim a deposit refund there’s nothing stopping you ordering at a later date when I’m more clearer about my intentions.

I’m glad that I’ve been targeted in a way because I think I would have been a bit too naive, thinking that everyone would be reading for the right reasons. It’s complete and ready to go . For the record it’s not negative towards the club in any way, it’s to with the experiences of running a site like KopTalk. I can’t keep people waiting any longer so I’d urge you to get a refund until I’m clearer in my own mind about my own future.

It’s just a bit of fun but with so many jealous and bitter people out there, I’m not sure I want to create even more attention, especially for some of the players in the book that I make reference to.

I’ll get the book site back online soon. I did update it with this info a few months back but I took it down when I closed off some old hosting.

Thanks for the support and apologies for keeping you waiting

Cool ta.. Whats with the leaving of the site..
Where you going ? What you gonna do?

Open a pie shop Seriously whats with you leaving…

No, no, I’m not going anywhere mate

I just feel that it would be wrong to run the book now while still doing the site. I’d rather use it as an opportunity to leave with a parting shot towards some people, so that would have to be when I move on.

It’s been that long coming that nobody expects it anyway

And finally another comment from Insider Insider:

“If it’s complete and ready to go, why not show a copy of the full manuscript to someone who would be willing to vouch for it being there? No, not Jeanette or Katrina. Not Steve or the dumbass moderator who probably still believes Gerrard is a member.

It doesn’t exist. It was an idea that never turned into reality. By pretending it would be released he also made it sound to trusting Reds as if he actually had some kind of access to Anfield execs and players.

As for it not being negative, we can see by looking at the archives of the site as it looked a few years back.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040205092602/www.anfieldexposed.com/

* The CCTV footage of one of Anfield’s biggest stars that is locked away in a vault in the city. The media know it exists and offers of £50,000 have so far been rejected!

(Anti-LFC? It sounds like it. Duncan Oldham was claiming that his book would tell us what the footage contains, and if it’s worth fifty grand it’s hardly a 2004 precursor to the Robo-Crouch but done by Michael Owen. Of course there is no CCTV footage, but the claim there is helps get him a fiver for the book that never was.)

* Details of a threatening phone call from a Liverpool based journalist who warned about not publishing a certain article and how he begged for his identity not to be revealed on the site when the editor informed him he was going to publish his threats on KopTalk – the article was published!

(Begged? I’ve no recollection of what this is personally, and in the 14 months or so since the blog started I’ve not been told what it was either. What I will say is that Dunk seems to be saying, “The book will have something in it that you already know about”. But I actually doubt there was anything from any journo.)

* The national journos who wanted to rock the Anfield boat and how they wanted to do it

(I’ve watched Jimmy Hill’s Sunday Supplement on Sky too. National journos, with a couple of exceptions, like to “rock the Anfield boat” whenever they can. Hardly earth-shattering.)

* The numerous requests to create fake transfer speculation from various people in the game

(Ah – so you weren’t making up every single piece of “insider information” you ever published just to get hits and make money? You were doing it for those people “in the game”? You don’t know anyone “in the game” – the closest you’ve been to that was in Canada a couple of months back when you were using members’ money to spend time with someone who was “on the game”.)

* What really happened the night before Robbie Fowler’s shock move to Leeds and why did KopTalk insist on the eve of that transfer that he was not leaving when we knew he was

(That was funny in some ways. After months and months of slagging off and slating Fowler, the site that claimed to be in with the staff and management at the club didn’t know Robbie was leaving. They missed out. But next day Oldham was fighting like mad to pretend he did know about it really. He knew nothing. He had no contacts. Robbie wasn’t on the phone to him and logging into Koptalk as he then claimed. Oldham took a chance – he decided to guess that Fowler was staying, and looked a complete arse – again – when it turned out he wasn’t.)

* How the editor was swooped on at a bank when paying money into a VIP columnist’s bank account because they thought the account holder was laundering money!

(Too far-fetched for words, but almost certainly this will date back to an argument Oldham will have had with one of the many columnists he’d promised money to, but had never actually paid. He would keep promising to pay but keep putting them off. And who exactly would “swoop” on him anyway? Unless he was paying money in every week at the same time I really don’t see how the police – for example – would be sitting in wait at the Nat West or Barclays in Scarborough when Oldham was paying money into an account owned by someone almost certainly based on Merseyside. Oldham’s the sort of person that believe what he watches on films might actually be true. He still thinks computers make a beeping noise every time you press the keys.)

* Every tale and experience relating to the suits that made attempts to buy KopTalk and the deals that were rejected. For the first time you’ll discover who made substantial offers and learn if Liverpool FC really did make an approach following rumours at the time

(A couple of “networks” existed when Koptalk was in its early days. Oldham was persuaded to sell his website’s soul to Footy Mad. But, despite taking mummy with him to the “business meetings”, he didn’t get as much money for his “work” as he wanted. Soon he started his ‘insider’ site, using the Footy Mad resources to plug it mercilessly, in between tales of woe about how he’d killed another dog. Dunk wasn’t approached by LFC when they decided to go for an official site at long last, and that really, really pissed him off. He started to have a go at the club at every opportunity when that happened, as he often does when he gets his wings clipped by them.)

* You will learn how the editor begged solicitors to take him to court when they tried it on over the years

(What usually happens is solicitors tell him to stop. So he stops, with a defiant “I dare you to take me to court” message. But he stops. He’s a coward, hence why he sent Steve to Athens and sat at home alone with his mam last week. Let Steve risk a beating for the thousands Koptalk has stolen. Dunk and Jeanette were safely tucked up at home)


* Why the proposed share offer had to be withdrawn following in excess of £1million worth of applications

(He took a lot of money from people for this, until it was pointed out to him that he was breaking the law in perhaps the most serious of all the ways he’d broken the law in his life. For someone who claims his dad was a respected copper, he’s been on the wrong side of the law a little too much. I’m told that not everyone got their money back for this.)


* The VIP apology from Anfield when a certain individual was trapped by the editor following a planned attack on the site

(Now if Dunk had received a “VIP apology” I am sure he would have used it on the spot to get more hits for his sites. It’s what he does, always has done. We never saw it. It never happened.)

* The upsetting tale of how the editor was threatened to turn his back on the site’s passionate readers in return for financial incentives or face possible legal action in the courts – who would ask such a thing?

(Who indeed? This book, not at all anti-LFC he says, features a section like this, he says. Bullshit, anti-LFC bullshit)


* A former Liverpool legend caught with his pants down in the editor’s house!

(Given Dunk’s frequent protestations that he’s “no homo” we dread to think.)


* The relationships formed with those at Anfield, those associated to the club and those in the national media

(None, none and er… none.)


* Details of the threats put on the editor’s family for printing controversial articles and news items

(Even then he was claiming threats to his family. And “controversial” means made up. Lies. He’s never, ever, provided a shred of proof about ONE threat to his family, in all the years he’s claimed they’ve been made).

* The columnist threatened with the sack if he continued to be associated to KopTalk

(Would it be George Sephton? Oldham claimed this was why George stopped writing for Koptalk. Was George paid? Was George told the truth about Oldham’s anti-LFC stance and so decided to leave anyway? )


* The Liverpool players the editor desperately tried to protect and why

(Dunk lied about LFC players. He chose which ones he’d lie about. By “protect” he means “not lie about”. )


* Learn his true feelings about various subjects associated to the club and why he has them

(Well last year he said he’d like to see Anfield knocked down and replaced with an Asda. His true feeling will be much the same as any former Leeds fan who now supports Newcastle. In fact probably worse than most former Leeds fans who now support Newcastle.)


* Why did Liverpool FC threaten to take his season tickets off him

(It wouldn’t be because he was touting them would it? That’s what he does with season ticket and cup tickets nowadays.)


PLUS much, much more!”

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13 Responses to “"Oldham Exposed" there will be no book. Latest confession.”

  1. sawyerinsider Says:

    more fantasy island stuff there. So Oldham if it is not incriminating to the club in any way then why not publish it? Is it because it is damning of yourself and the way Koptalk has been run all these years? Koptalk is a 2000’s front for your fraudulent activities and when its gone you’ll spill the beans?

    “Complete and ready to go” my arse!

  2. Insider Insider Says:

    If it’s complete and ready to go, why not show a copy of the full manuscript to someone who would be willing to vouch for it being there? No, not Jeanette or Katrina. Not Steve or the dumbass moderator who probably still believes Gerrard is a member.
    It doesn’t exist. It was an idea that never turned into reality. By pretending it would be released he also made it sound to trusting Reds as if he actually had some kind of access to Anfield execs and players.
    As for it not being negative, we can see by looking at the archives of the site as it looked a few years back. http://web.archive.org/web/20040205092602/www.anfieldexposed.com/

    * The CCTV footage of one of Anfield’s biggest stars that is locked away in a vault in the city. The media know it exists and offers of £50,000 have so far been rejected! (Anti-LFC? It sounds like it. Duncan Oldham was claiming that his book would tell us what the footage contains, and if it’s worth fifty grand it’s hardly a 2004 precursor to the Robo-Crouch but done by Michael Owen. Of course there is no CCTV footage, but the claim there is helps get him a fiver for the book that never was.)
    * Details of a threatening phone call from a Liverpool based journalist who warned about not publishing a certain article and how he begged for his identity not to be revealed on the site when the editor informed him he was going to publish his threats on KopTalk – the article was published! (Begged? I’ve no recollection of what this is personally, and in the 14 months or so since the blog started I’ve not been told what it was either. What I will say is that Dunk seems to be saying, “The book will have something in it that you already know about”. But I actually doubt there was anything from any journo.)
    * The national journos who wanted to rock the Anfield boat and how they wanted to do it (I’ve watched Jimmy Hill’s Sunday Supplement on Sky too. National journos, with a couple of exceptions, like to “rock the Anfield boat” whenever they can. Hardly earth-shattering.)
    * The numerous requests to create fake transfer speculation from various people in the game (Ah – so you weren’t making up every single piece of “insider information” you ever published just to get hits and make money? You were doing it for those people “in the game”? You don’t know anyone “in the game” – the closest you’ve been to that was in Canada a couple of months back when you were using members’ money to spend time with someone who was “on the game”.)
    * What really happened the night before Robbie Fowler’s shock move to Leeds and why did KopTalk insist on the eve of that transfer that he was not leaving when we knew he was (That was funny in some ways. After months and months of slagging off and slating Fowler, the site that claimed to be in with the staff and management at the club didn’t know Robbie was leaving. They missed out. But next day Oldham was fighting like mad to pretend he did know about it really. He knew nothing. He had no contacts. Robbie wasn’t on the phone to him and logging into Koptalk as he then claimed. Oldham took a chance – he decided to guess that Fowler was staying, and looked a complete arse – again – when it turned out he wasn’t.)
    * How the editor was swooped on at a bank when paying money into a VIP columnist’s bank account because they thought the account holder was laundering money!(Too far-fetched for words, but almost certainly this will date back to an argument Oldham will have had with one of the many columnists he’d promised money to, but had never actually paid. He would keep promising to pay but keep putting them off. And who exactly would “swoop” on him anyway? Unless he was paying money in every week at the same time I really don’t see how the police – for example – would be sitting in wait at the Nat West or Barclays in Scarborough when Oldham was paying money into an account owned by someone almost certainly based on Merseyside. Oldham’s the sort of person that believe what he watches on films might actually be true. He still thinks computers make a beeping noise every time you press the keys.)
    * Every tale and experience relating to the suits that made attempts to buy KopTalk and the deals that were rejected. For the first time you’ll discover who made substantial offers and learn if Liverpool FC really did make an approach following rumours at the time (A couple of “networks” existed when Koptalk was in its early days. Oldham was persuaded to sell his website’s soul to Footy Mad. But, despite taking mummy with him to the “business meetings”, he didn’t get as much money for his “work” as he wanted. Soon he started his ‘insider’ site, using the Footy Mad resources to plug it mercilessly, in between tales of woe about how he’d killed another dog. Dunk wasn’t approached by LFC when they decided to go for an official site at long last, and that really, really pissed him off. He started to have a go at the club at every opportunity when that happened, as he often does when he gets his wings clipped by them.)
    * You will learn how the editor begged solicitors to take him to court when they tried it on over the years (What usually happens is solicitors tell him to stop. So he stops, with a defiant “I dare you to take me to court” message. But he stops. He’s a coward, hence why he sent Steve to Athens and sat at home alone with his mam last week. Let Steve risk a beating for the thousands Koptalk has stolen. Dunk and Jeanette were safely tucked up at home)
    * Why the proposed share offer had to be withdrawn following in excess of £1million worth of applications (He took a lot of money from people for this, until it was pointed out to him that he was breaking the law in perhaps the most serious of all the ways he’d broken the law in his life. For someone who claims his dad was a respected copper, he’s been on the wrong side of the law a little too much. I’m told that not everyone got their money back for this.)
    * The VIP apology from Anfield when a certain individual was trapped by the editor following a planned attack on the site (Now if Dunk had received a “VIP apology” I am sure he would have used it on the spot to get more hits for his sites. It’s what he does, always has done. We never saw it. It never happened.)
    * The upsetting tale of how the editor was threatened to turn his back on the site’s passionate readers in return for financial incentives or face possible legal action in the courts – who would ask such a thing? (Who indeed? This book, not at all anti-LFC he says, features a section like this, he says. Bullshit, anti-LFC bullshit)
    * A former Liverpool legend caught with his pants down in the editor’s house! (Given Dunk’s frequent protestations that he’s “no homo” we dread to think.)
    * The relationships formed with those at Anfield, those associated to the club and those in the national media (None, none and er… none.)
    * Details of the threats put on the editor’s family for printing controversial articles and news items (Even then he was claiming threats to his family. And “controversial” means made up. Lies. He’s never, ever, provided a shred of proof about ONE threat to his family, in all the years he’s claimed they’ve been made).
    * The columnist threatened with the sack if he continued to be associated to KopTalk (Would it be George Sephton? Oldham claimed this was why George stopped writing for Koptalk. Was George paid? Was George told the truth about Oldham’s anti-LFC stance and so decided to leave anyway? )
    * The Liverpool players the editor desperately tried to protect and why (Dunk lied about LFC players. He chose which ones he’d lie about. By “protect” he means “not lie about”. )
    * Learn his true feelings about various subjects associated to the club and why he has them (Well last year he said he’d like to see Anfield knocked down and replaced with an Asda. His true feeling will be much the same as any former Leeds fan who now supports Newcastle. In fact probably worse than most former Leeds fans who now support Newcastle.)
    * Why did Liverpool FC threaten to take his season tickets off him (It wouldn’t be because he was touting them would it? That’s what he does with season ticket and cup tickets nowadays.)
    PLUS much, much more!

  3. dataimaginary Says:

    He seems to be simultaneously denying he’s going and talking about “when” (not “if”) I move on. Things getting a bit hot in the KT kitchen dunk?

  4. Gorgy Porgy Says:

    With regards to the “unexposed” book, does anybody else think the order for reclaiming deposits is the wrong way round. I mean, you have to approach him and claim your dosh back, why??

    Surely he must have a list of people who have paid a deposit, along with their contact information. If not, how was he meant to inform people when the book was published…

    He sure likes to pick methods where he gets to keep loads of money that he is simply unentitled to.

  5. projectvox Says:

    So he’d have to “watter (his spelling) it down” – but at the same time, it’s “not negative towards the club”…

    Mong.

  6. Koptalksucks.com Says:

    “does anybody else think the order for reclaiming deposits is the wrong way round. I mean, you have to approach him and claim your dosh back, why??”

    Simply because many people will have forgotten or given up and by not contacting him they don’t get their money back. Its wrong but so is everything Oldham Duncan Dunk does.

  7. rupertinsider Says:

    Gorgy Porgy

    Your comment reminded me to add this to the post:

    “In a particularly creepy form of exploitation of the 96 men and boys who died at Hillsborough, he claimed that he would make an unspecified donation to the HJC for every copy he sold of a book that claimed to “expose” the club they loved.

    I suppose he will say that a pre-order is not a sale or use some other weasel words to wriggle out. But I think he owes the HJC a lot of money for his use of their name to promote his book, hismelf and his money-grubbing site over four years. And if some of those who paid for the book are not refunded he should send that money with interest to the HJC and prove he’s done it with the published receipts.”

  8. Toby Says:

    If its complete and ready to go and not damning to the club why is he choosing to refund the approximate £100,000 for 20,000 £5 pre-orders instead of cashing in an additional £100,000 for the sale of them? I can’t for the life of me work out why that could be 😉

  9. Surprised Says:

    Wow.

    I got my £6 deposit back by PayPal today ……

    I signed up for kt & the book as it was before I knew about NewsNow so it was a good place to read all the reports from the web & papers in one place (and as they said, it was only “a penny a day”)…. well poor deluded fool I was, by pure chance I changed credit cards on my paypal account and got an email from “Chloe at kt” saying that my subscription had been cancelled (I’d subscribed????? I thought I’d paid a deposit on a book?)

    Anyways, I’m rambling as its late, but all I can say is fill out a ticket and claim the refund …. they didn’t even ask for anymore details beyond my email address I’d gven them…. still, Wayne Rooney carrying out Ricky Hatton’s belt in a couple of weeks to “Blue Moon” ….. ho hum!!

    Have fun.

  10. rupertinsider Says:

    Surprised

    For the sake of others would you mind clarifying?

    You paid a deposit on the book and they called it a subscription to KT?

    Did they put any kind of automated renewal mechanims on your PayPal account? Have you checked ? Are you sure they have not taken other payments from your account through that renewal (before you changed your credit card).

    Have you checked – have you removed it from your PayPal account.

    Then you used the refund mechanism and got your money back instantly direclty from PayPal?

    When did you pay the money exactly?

  11. Surprised Says:

    Hmm… I May have misled you slightly …. I’ve just been back through all my emails and time has addled my memory. I must have signed up for a kt subscription separately as I’ve found the subscription cancelled email earlier than the book deposit…. I didn’t however realise that I’d signed up to a subscription, but I guess that’s my fault for not checking the small print.

    No other payments went out from my paypal a/c to kt that weren’t authorised. There is currently £6 sitting in my paypal a/c …. ie. the refund.

    I paid the deposit Jan 2005…. the cancelled subscription was Dec2004.

    Sorry once again for misleading you, I guess I hadn’t realised I’d paid twice to the conman…. Like I say, I’m still surprised I got my £6 deposit back & thanks for the blog as without it, I wouldn’t have followed things up.

    Thanks.

  12. rupertinsider Says:

    That’s ok, thanks for checking. And its very valuable for others to know that PayPal is not limiting claims to those payments made in the last 45 days – in your case it was almost 2.5 years.

    Also interesting they are not putting the money in escrow while they await Oldham’s response, they’re paying immediately.

    Everyone who is dissatisfied with the KT service should get their money back. I would think that shoud be everyone, because his site is based on the concept of proving Inside information and he has never supplied any. He said its a mature site but its run by teenagers. He says George Gillett is a member and he’s not.

    I can understand now why Oldham says he will refund the balance of membership fees – because members would get their whole fee back if they applied direclty to PayPal.

  13. Surprised Says:

    No….. I’m was even more surprised… I got the money back from koptalk itself not PayPal……

    Sorry (that’ll teach me to post when drunk). The article on your site (I assume copied from kt) said to fill in a support ticket at kt and claim the money back. That was why I was even more amazed than paypal paying up….. again sorry to have unintentionally misled by not being clear enough.

    I filled in the form and two minutes later had a refund in my paypal a/c from kt….. like I said, it was over 2 years ago so I can;t believe kt paid up and didn’t at least try to argue / delay or just refuse to pay up!


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