by Rupert Insider
I have not dismissed Oldham’s claim that George Gillett has been in contact and may even have bought a membership in Koptalk. Why should I?
The main message of this blog has been that Oldham is a con man who has used the internet to ensnare many people – thousands of people over many years – to pay him money under false pretences.
We’ve also repeatedly made the point that his site is now reduced to a very few members. A majority of them are overseas LFC supporters – including those from Canada and the United States, but also from Asia and Africa and Australasia and Malta.
His scams work better on foreigners .
They are too far away to know that he has no connection with LFC, is considered a pariah by most supporters, and lives nowhere near Liverpool. They’re also too far away to use the UK Small Claims Court to recover the money he defrauds from them.
We have also pointed out that Oldham feeds off the trust that LFC supporters are willing to place in complete strangers on the net, as long as they wear their club colours.
And who of us would expect that someone running a site called “Koptalk” would be anti-LFC, and a leech on the club? And who of us would believe that other LFC supporters involved would not warn them?
Readers of this blog will know how hard Oldham works at stopping any of his posters blowing a whistle – to warn off newcomers or tell them about this blog. And as we saw today, he is fast and ruthless in cutting out anyone who does. But a newcomer would not know that.
Montreal Canadiens – Bell Centre CLICK to enlarge
We are told that George Gillett responds generously to anyone approaching him wearing the club colours and he reaches out to supporters. He is a foreigner not accustomed to the nuances of the British or LFC’s twenty unofficial sites. He probably had no idea that Oldham runs his porn sites and Koptalk from the same computer in a shed in a back garden in Wallsend . George wouldn’t have had any idea how far Wallsend was geographically and culturally from Liverpool. I only hope he did not think Oldham’s oafish accent and con man rap is “scouse”.
Am I implying by that remark that I actually believe they have spoken? Not exactly. George could have heard Oldham speak on his podgecast – as Oldham claims. But I think that even Oldham is not so thick as to offer such obvious hostages to fortune without there being some kernel of truth. I think it is likely that there has been contact of some kind.
But I also know from long experience that Oldham is a brazen liar. He lies to make money. He hopes that this episode will bring him urgently needed memberships. In his manic moods he is also a fantasist.
How sweet to the wannabe author of of the book Anfield Exposed if he can circumvent Rick Parry and Ian Cotton and the head of the LFC Official Site and all the other “suits” from “the other side” – i.e. LFC – whom he intends to expose in his never-to-be written book which, after three years of preparation, and after he has received an unaccountable number of ₤5 deposits from the Koptalk “suckers”, has not yet appeared. In fact he admits he has not written a word of it even though its due and promised in May 2007.
I wonder whether his attempts to ensnare George Gillett started when Oldham wrote to offer to give back the “Kop Football Ltd ” domains he stole from the new owners a few weeks ago? The entire list can be found HERE.
Whatever contact there may have been, I’m sure that in his account on Thursday, Oldham has massaged the facts and outright lied as he always does.
I don’t like speculating so yesterday I telephoned George Gillett’s organization in Montreal and after discussing the matter in French with the Assistant to the President of the Canadiens, who also serves as George Gillett’s first line of defence in Montreal, she switched my call to George’s personal executive assistant in the USA.
I discussed the situation with her including comments made by some of the blog readers in emails that morning or in the comments section of the blog. She was clearly concerned and said she was grateful for the call and she asked me to send a full written dossier to her personal email – which I did. I have also sent a copy to Rick Parry, Executive Director and to Ian Cotton, Head of Press and to a few other influential people, some of whom are readers of the blog.
The executive assistant did not volunteer to confirm any aspect of Oldham’s story – and I was careful not to press her. I thought it better that she and George Gillett have the time and space to study the whole situation in the letter I sent, which also provided relevant links to the blog and to the officials at LFC who would be able to advise her about the club’s knowledge of and attitude to Oldham.
So while we are waiting for the truth to emerge let’s take a stroll through Oldham’s gushings on his site on Thursday morning after he breathlessly revealed to the world that George Gillett Jr – or was it his “PA”? – made an evening call last week that was so amazing it could not be revealed until now. Make sense so far?
He had already established in another thread that the call was not to Oldham – but to his gormless partner in the manufacture and certification of fake LFC memorabilia – half-brother 17-year old Steve.
Why could the two con-artists not reveal their stunning news until now?
Let’s follow Oldham’s reasoning in his own words:
LOL… we’ve spoke to him, emailed him, chatted with his executive assistant/PA… I’ve got flights booked to Montreal and am staying in the same hotel that Mr GG uses.
He spends a lot of time trying to prove he is not lying. Since he saw fit to mention his flight bookings surely he won’t object to our checking. Give us the number and date and airline.
And the hotel in Montreal used by George? I know Montreal like the back-of-my-hand and all the hotels – so don’t be coy Oldham – tell us which one George and you use – I’ll give it a call, check the prices and your booking. No charge!
Oldham returns to the subject later in the thread. Someone asked if he may have beend duped on the phone by a kid who does American accents well :
Mate I know who GG is. We’ve spoke personally to him and I’ve been touch with his office over the last few weeks to confirm travel arrangements etc. There’s a lot I can’t and won’t say. I just wanted people to know that GG does care about the fans and that I think he’ll be doing a lot of fan stuff during his time in charge. I may come across as a wally as part of my role on the site and the podcast etc but I’m actually quite switched on
As you see he’s being too easy on himself – he doesn’t usually come across as a wally – he comes across as a thick liar and money-grubbing spiv.
Also note how artfully he uses the royal “we” and the personal “I” when it suits him. Since he uses the two in the same passage “We” must mean “Steve” and “I” means Oldham. So following that logic Steve spoke to George or his “PA” and Oldham called his office to confirm travel arrangements. That would be the Habs office in Montreal, right? Oldham probably doesn’t realise that George’s office is in the USA.
And the travel arrangements for what? Is he going to a hockey match? It would be simpler and cheaper to meet George next week at Anfield.
Then a question from a bystander:
So is the news that you said you had last week Dunk?
And the answer:
Notice that he now returns to “last week”, not “last month” or “weeks ago”.
But we have to respect the fact that he wants (as Rick Parry said yesterday) to show respect to the current shareholders so we’ve had to be quiet etc.
Oh so that’s why he could not reveal the stunning news until now!
How useful to be able to borrow from Rick Parry’s public statement the other day that “George” did not want to appear presumptuous by attending LFC matches before 75% of the shareholders had indicated their acceptance of the offer.
Oldham did not know that last week or weeks ago, because Parry had never explained it until “yesterday”.
So if we are to believe Oldham, George took the risk of making a pact with Koptalk despite his sensitivity to shareholder concerns. As I’ve said, how long George and Dunk have had their secret pact is a bit difficult to pin down – sometimes Oldham refers to “weeks” other times he talks about the first call from George – or his “PA” – being last week.
Being the artful dodger that he is he now wants to spin the Parry statement to mean that George was worried that the entire takeover of LFC might fall through if shareholders were to know that he planned to consummate the relationship by joining Koptalk, or that, at least they would be insulted.
So Dunk and George agreed the news of their coming together was to be kept secret not to be released before George had snared the requisite number of shares. And, by the way, Rick Parry, Ian Cotton and the entire LFC management, not to mention the Official Site – which George is buying and from which Duncan steals copyrighted material – and all the 20 unofficial sites, were to be kept out of the loop of this secret agreement. Makes sense, doesn’t it?
And then Oldham adds this:
He has a unique username but I will forward him another random one so he can interact on the QT if he so wants.
That makes sense, too, doesn’t it? George Gillett makes a dramatic public gesture to signify his intention to communicate with supporters on a website – and then Oldham gives him a secret username so that nobody can tell when he posts or even lurks.
Reminds me a lot of the secret username he gave “the Wallet” – Rick Parry. It was….er….”the wallet”.
Oh dear, here comes the first doubter on the thread, the naughty “Civicsteve”:
Sounds too good to be true. I’ll believe it when GG namechecks Koptalk in a live interview on TV/Radio, otherwise the pessimist in me won’t believe it. Take it this is the announcement you’ve been keeping quiet then Dunc?
But Oldham is in full flow responding to the compliments of others in the thread:
Ha ha. When I get time I’ll collect some comments from you guys to forward on. I’m in regular contact with his executive assistant and I’ve also been exchanging emails with George, so I’m sure you will get a response at some point
So a surprising call last week now turns into “regular contact”. And notice “when I get the time”. What else does he have to do except surfing porn to steal copyrighted images for his pathetic Koptalk-sister-porn site.
But Civicsteve won’t give up:
I just don’t see how you’ve got the new owner ‘hooked’ on koptalk through the two-bit non-member podcasts thats all. KT isn’t exactly the first website you find when you search for “liverpool FC” on google anymore. In fact I believe it’s the 3rd page in. If you search for ‘LFC’ then you find KT on the 6th page in. Not exactly the first place you see it.
I’m not anti-KT in any way and I appreciate the service, especially the text alerts, but I just feel this sounds like a blag. Where are the local people on this site gone? Everyone’s from London, S.Africa, Singapore etc – I can’t actually see anyone from Liverpool in this thread – does this tell me something? Not sure.
Well my membership’s up in a months time and hopefully in the next couple of weeks we’ll see a picture on here of Dunc with GG as proof that this isn’t a fabrication (which I’m sure it’s not!). As soon as I see this I’d be more than happy to renew but bloody hell surely people should take this one with a pinch of salt until you know for sure.
Anyway this is my 100th post and I didn’t intend for it to be negative like this but as a paying member I trust my opinion will be heard along side everyone else.
Only a 100 posts and already a doubter! Did you know that there are some still posting on KT (and Est 1892) who have thousand of posts. Oldham pays them by giving them free membership as long as they keep up their quota of posts – not that they lack principal, those industrious posters who keep Koptalk alive in the ALEXA stats – they have boldly declared that they will quit Koptalk if he ever starts charging them.
Oldham doesn’t like Civicsteve’s tone – its spoiling his orgasm:
If you want a debate about overseas Reds v local Reds, just create a new thread rather than hijacking this one
That was a nice deflection, wasn’t it? 95% of the posters are from overseas, so turn them against Civicsteve.
Sorry you feel it’s a blag.
We don’t rely on seach engine promotion, we don’t need to
No, he didn’t wait for George to find Koptalk with a search engine, he’s right about that, he probably sent emails to his office people offering to give back the “Kopfootball” domains he stole a few weeks ago and he certainly took the opportunity to introduce his website as the No. 1 LFC award-winning site with many “luminaries” among its members including Pope Benedict XVI and Osama bin Laden. (They have secret user names, too).
But Civicsteve keeps chewing on the bone – you’d think he was a blogger:
I don’t want to debate that mate, in fact you missed my point slightly. Koptalk used to be full of fans from both LIVERPOOL and all over the world. Somewhere along the line the former has vanished. Don’t get me wrong I love the fact that LFC is a ‘global brand’ and we have fans that will follow us from the four corners of the world. I just think the locals have become disillusioned with Koptalk because of posts like this where you fail to back the claims up in any way shape or form. Why wait a week to announce this when you have no proof !!
And you still haven’t answered my question in the desktop wallpaper thread!
Oldham agrees with me – Civicsteve sounds like a blogger!
No worries. It’s a shame that there’s some synics out there.
I guess a “synic” is a member of an electronic band.
Nay mind, we know the score. We have other big personalities on here….
Bigger than Oldham?
….(but everyone is treated the same regardless of their status. If people choose to think it’s a wind up, they’d be better off on the conspiracy websites on a full time basis
I would ask those types not to spoil this thread.
Which is Oldham polite way of saying, now that you’ve paid your ₤30 quid for access to a discussion forum you can put your head where the sun don’t shine because you’re definitely spoiling my orgasm. He’s preparing grounds to ban Civicsteve – you can spot it a mile away!
We’re not here to prove or justify ourselves to anyone.
Notice the royal “we” again.
If people choose not to believe George is a member, that’s their right. And if people have the attitude of not trusting us, I’d prefer they weren’t here. It’s really of no concern to me personally as to whether people believe this, it isn’t school. It makes no odds to me if GG is a member or not as I speak to people up the chain like this all the time.
People up the chain? Are these the famous “higher ups”, “big cheeses” “top brass” with whom he is always consorting in the shed in his back garden in Wallsend?
I expect to be sued for making up such a fantasy.
Don’t tempt fate!
Please don’t hijack the thread with conspiracy theories. George is a member – he could be a member of numerous sites – but he’s spoken to us and that’s all that interests me.
When he says “us” does he mean gormless Steve and he, or only gormless Steve, which is what he said before that it was his gormless half brother who received the unexpected call from George or his “PA”. And if he means both of them was it on a conference call or did George make several calls, to Steve and Oldham?
I appreciate your comments ….
No he doesn’t he’s just copying Insider’s style.
….but again, if you choose not to believe GG is a member, that really is your call
Then “Donkey” buts in:
dunk you are being harsh on him, all he is saying is he has doubts , and he has a point why wait to announce it if you arnt going to show us proof? why not just leave it in the shadows?
Then “Tribute” :
Have to disagree on that one Dunk – I don’t remember reading anywhere that all threads have to be positive and and loaded with praise… Civic’s only expressing his opinion in this thread and he’s entitled to do so. It’s just a discussion…
So Oldham falls back on his old fake “Insider” pose from years gone by.
There’s a reason why we couldn’t say anything last month, that reason has to remain confidential.
Oh, oh – “last week” has now turned to “last month”.
It doesn’t take much working out. It just annoys me when you get synics that think we’d make something like this up. It’s not the kind of mentality that we like here, it’s better suited to the sites that like to knock us.
I just didn’t like the tone about non Liverpool based Reds and it hurts when people think we’d wind people up. I’m happy to let people post such opinions but nobody here has to prove anything. It’s a schoolground, teenage mentality. I’m 32 not 12. Sorry but I don’t have time to play games winding up our members who support us in the first place.
Getting a bit incoherent and self-pitying now – I’m reminded of the remark that he tends to overeat the meat pies and drink too much Woodpecker during his manic phases. And the paranoia! The first sign of critical question and he smells the blog and his old “you’re all kiddies” insults start to fly.
Civicsteve seems to like the idea of being labelled a “synic”:
Glad that I’ll be treated the same as everyone else then even though I’m a pessimist
For the record, I’m a member of about 7 LFC forums (lurking mainly) and fair play Dunc, if you are the only one that GG has chosen to be affiliated with then you’ve pulled off an all-time coup – you should be able to pay off your missus’ Barclaycard no problem now
The reference to the Barclaycard refers to another thread where Civicsteve cleverly drew out the absurdities of Oldham’s claims about his alleged visit to the Nou Camp and all the stuff he bought in the shop there for ₤300 and the claim that it was all on “her” Barclaycard because “she” has a proper job and is not just “an Internet A celebrity” like he is.
I wonder if he’ll use “her” Barclycard for his tickets to Montreal.
But Civicsteve is not finished:
Aside from that I’m sure GG will now personally phone the owners of the other rival sites who don’t charge, to advise them of how much of a good site they have.
Anyway back to the subject, some fans have contacted Public Relations and faxed them prints of the KopTalk pages. They’re passing it onto George Gillett’s legal team.
That’s all I have for you. I’m told that Civicsteve was kicked out of Koptalk after that remark. And quite right too, what does he think it is, a discussion forum?
(That was one of the best suicide exchanges I’ve seen, Steve. Well done!)
I spoke to soon. I’ve just received this from Carras_Boot who was banned from Koptalk a few minutes ago – approximatley 14.45 pm – for posting this on KT. It was removed after 30 seconds, but he had captured it in a screen shot.
“Why would George Gillet become a member of Koptalk?
Seriously, why? What on earth does this site offer than other “Rival” forums don’t?
£30 membership fee for news that you can get elsewhere and that has been proven im sorry.
Constant news reports from the S*N and NOTW, and that has been proven.
And a load of dodgy info about a certain sheik still not ruled out of buying the club 24hrs before it was announced that Gillet and Hicks had been in discussion with LFC for a few days and were now BUYING the club. That has been proven as well.
You cannot have a debate on here unless you agree totally 100% with the owner of Koptalk. There is no such word as dissent apparently because when you do disagree you are either thrown out of an internet forum and accused of sabotaging the KT brand or your an II blogger, this is after you paid £30 or your post is deleted.
This again has been proven, no matter what anyone says, “we don’t ban people, people ban themselves” BS.
We live in a democratic world apparently, and the internet is supposed to be a place were you can speak your mind but a friend of mine was banned recently for showing dissent and questioning the Gillet “membership”.
But I have a question to ask Mr Oldham and i want everybody to see this, (hence the reason this post has been copied, pasted, and screen printed and will go out to EVERY LFC forum out their if this post is scrubbed and i am banned, see how many people join KT when they see you cant speak your mind or question the motives of someone “claiming” to have inside knowledge Dunk!) –
you claim that George Gillet loved this site so much and seen all the members coming together like one big happy family made him call you up personally or emailed you or whatever and insisted on becoming a paid member of KT
Now let me put this to you, how would Mr Gillet know about the KT forums and the “happy family” if you have to pay £30 to view the exec lounge.
And before you start with the “i don’t have to explain myself to anyone” routine, im sorry Dunk, but you do. We are paying members. Without us you would have no KT. Word spreads around the internet really quick, you know that and it wouldn’t take long before KT is closed and you would be screwed. Especially if Mr Gillet hears about the Cyber Squatting.
Please Answer the question i have asked, or i expect to be banned so as i say, this post has been copied and is ready to be spread to ALL LFC sites.”
I hope Carras_Boot and Civicsteve and anybody else who is banned or has “banned themselves” for expressing an honest opinion checks their PayPal account and cancels any automatic renewal of the Koptalk membership fee.