Why no Red should ever buy The S*n

Yesterday on Koptalk there appeared yet another story seemingly taken from The S*n by its anti-LFC owner Duncan Oldham. I couldn’t be arsed posting it here today because it’s clear that Oldham has now given up even pretending to support Liverpool.

The article in question seems to have been taken by The S*n from a story that earlier appeared in newspapers local to Accrington. It appeared in those local papers as far back as September 14th. It’s talking about Gerrard going to watch an Accrington Stanley game against Wrexham. See the original article from a month ago. For some reason the web version of the story says “Published September 14th” as well as being dated October 11th. It’s possible that it’s not appeared on the net version of the paper (The Accrington Observer) until today hence the reason for that date, or that it’s been edited after it appeared in The S*n on the 9th (Monday).

I only know it was in the S*n thanks to Google News, and it was the only article mentioning both “Steven Gerrard” and “Accrington” that matched this tale – see Google News Search. Obviously, DO NOT CLICK THE LINK TO THE S*N STORY if you do look at the search yourself. Koptalk is the only other place I found covering the story, alongside its sister The S*n.

A regular contributor (via comments and email) to this blog is Mr Barry Wom. I’m certain he’s not the Barry Wom from The Rutles but who knows? We’ve plenty of famous people reading this site I’m sure. I’ve heard Alan Sugar reads every day to pick up snippets of business advice from all our transcripts of Oldham’s rants. Gerald Ratner is actually better at killing something off overnight than Oldham though and tends to steer clear.

Back to the point. For the rest of this post I’m not really going to be able to use any humour.

Mr Wom posted this as a comment to the blog. It’s something that’s come from RAOTL and is an excellent insight into why The S*n is STILL BOYCOTTED to this day by all decent Liverpool fans, all decent citizens of Liverpool, and a hell of a lot of decent people all over this country who have nothing to do with LFC or the city. “John Mac” posted this just after The S*n printed their pathetic attempt at a point-scoring apology. Instead of saying, “Shit, we really are sorry for being such twats in 1989” they of course tried to turn it into an attack on everyone else and an attempt to throw the blame elsewhere. Any sympathy that might have been forming amongst relatives and others surely got wiped out by what The S*n tried that particular day.

It’s from someone who’s been hurt by the Hillsborough disaster and by what The S*n printed soon after. It’s an extremely emotive issue for me and it should be really for all Reds. I apologise to those of you who still find it hard to even read about this subject, but I can tell that there really are some out there who don’t know why the boycott is so important. Duncan Oldham knows why, but the selfish bastard can’t see past his own wallet. He’d rather play games with this blog and with his few remaining visitors than show even a small amount of respect to those so badly hit by the disaster and by what The Sun said. If you don’t know why the boycott matters so much then please, read the full article that follows. It’s a lot to read, but you really must find some time to read it. (If anyone has the link to the original on RAOTL please leave it in the comments below.)

At about 6 O’Clock yesterday evening I got a call from Robbie (Mottman) telling me that The S*n were about to publish an apology, the news left me a bit dumbstruck, I told Robbie I’d get back to him once I had a think about it. Once I had done this I spoke to a couple of other members of the HJC and discussed what we thought was going on, and what had caused such a dramatic change of heart, it really did not stack up. Was it the success of the boycott? Was it that they had become fed up of their feeble attempts to increase circulation in the area? Was it the Rooney influence? Was it a reaction to continued opposition in the area? I suppose that I thought the Rooney influence had been the straw that had finally broken the camel’s back, seeing Evertonians turn on their modern day hero as a result of his association with this vile rag.

The people of Liverpool have long lived with the reality of negative press coverage but the attacks made on Liverpool fans on 19th April 1989 went far beyond any of their predecessors. Media attacks on the City were frequent and those made on The Militant Local authority of the mid-80s were too numerous to mention. At this time football in general and football fans in particular were particularly “out of Vogue” and these were also seen as ‘fair game’ for the nation’s press attacks. It is interesting that Liverpool as a City, and football fans as a group, had also been continuously attacked by successive Tory governments during the 1980s.

tributes_to_96.jpgHillsborough was the worst day of my life. Sat in the North stand I saw youngsters trying to administer the kiss of life to dying men, women and children, whilst Police officers stood idly by. The South Yorkshire Police stood in front of the North Stand, in case there were a pitch invasion, whilst youngsters died on advertising hoardings behind them. An ambulance that entered onto the pitch at the Kop end of the ground was denied access, to the Liverpool fans, by those self same officers.

The aftermath of the disaster is well documented- incompetent police, an inadequate antiquated football ground, a ‘national’ attitude which saw fit to treat successive generations as football fans as animals and a Football Association which saw itself fit to align itself to a cover up, rather than represent the interests of fans. At the heart of this attempted cover up was the nation’s press.

The police immediately realised that their organisation was inadequate, and drew together the nation’s press to perpetuate their lies and conspiracy. On the afternoon of the disaster the BBC reported that a door had been broken down by Liverpool fans, Graham Taylor of the FA inferred that the Police had not ordered the gates to be opened on Radio 2. The secretary of Sheffield Wednesday football club reported that “at 2.50 there was a surge of Liverpool fans at The Leppings Lane end of the ground”, the seeds for the cover-up were sewn, as Liverpool fans lay on the turf dying and dead.

As we turned up to pay are respects to the dead at Anfield over the following days, the Nation’s free press assembled to gather evidence against us. The fact that people had died because they were seen as potential criminals rather than citizens by the nation’s police forces was never seriously examined. The myth of ticket-less fans storming a gate continued to be perpetuated by the bloodhounds in league with the South Yorkshire constabulary.

do_not_buy_the_sun_001.jpgThe S*N was not alone in its condemnation of Liverpool but its headlines do need to be considered:


These was the actions of an organisation trying to rewrite history, hand in hand with the British authorities. That one headline still perpetuates, in parts of this country, the myth that The Hillsborough Disaster occurred as a result of Drunken football hooligans and not as a result of inadequate policing, a senile FA and “penny pinching” football club. It was this perpetuation of the lies and propaganda of the authorities which made the lives of the families and survivors all the more unbearable. It has been said that The S*N was not alone in its condemnation of Liverpool fans, but it must be said that they were by far the most vocally vehement in their condemnation. Furthermore, they stood alone in their defiance of the published findings of the Justice Taylor report and their continued condemnation of Liverpool fans, and their refusal to publish a retraction of their original article. To point to half hearted admissions of impropriety (imposed by the Press Commission) as heartfelt apologies, I find both offensive to the intelligence Liverpool fans, and completely disrespectful to the trauma faced by the bereaved families.

The article in question was not a decision taken in isolation by McKenzie, but no doubt he was duly rewarded for taking the blame for it being so, it was part of the establishment cover up of the facts of Hillsborough. The S*N did, however, go far, far further in their condemnation of Liverpool fans and their perpetuation of the establishment lies. Editorial decisions are not taken in isolation by any organisation, and the likely affects of such an article would have been weighed up with pro’s and con’s, the fact is though that The S*N vastly underestimated the response of the people of Merseyside, they further underestimated the longevity of the opposition to their vile rag.

do_not_buy_the_sun_002.jpgThe boycott of the rag was not organised by the HJC, the HFSG, LFC or any organisation, it was a knee-jerk reaction from the people of Liverpool. The grieving people of Liverpool awoke that morning to the most disgusting headlines imaginable. The boycott belongs to these people reds and blues alike and the boycott soon spread to reds and other football fans the length and breadth of the country.

The thing which hit the S*N hardest, and still continues to hit home, is the fact that up to 200 000 Merseyside people boycotted this once popular rag, overnight. This is why they have made continuous attempts to try to recover part of its once vast circulation on Merseyside. The Sounness episode, the 20p advertisements and their attempted dealings with LFC, as well as the recent episode with Peter Kilfoyle, a local Mp, highlight how desperate they are to win back some of their circulation in the Merseyside area. They have clearly failed over the past fifteen years in their attempts to influence Liverpool fans, so it becomes increasingly clear that the Rooney episode are clear “divide and conquer” tactics.

Devoting more column inches to Liverpool FC than any other national newspaper had failed so the new tactic was drawn up- a new national hero, dressed in blue but based on Merseyside, an opportunity too good to miss. I don’t wear the stories coming out of the Rooney camp, in any case his advisers should have known better, given that one Kenny Dalglish is an employee of his agents, this really should have been handled far better and with far more dignity.

In exactly the same manner as it was in the dark days following the disaster, the reaction of the Everton fans to Rooney’s decision to sell his story to this rag was exemplary, in fact I would even go as far as they have been quicker to condemn him than many reds were when Souness acted in a similar manner.

I have no doubt that as proprietor of the rag and part of the establishment, that Murdoch was party to the decision to run this story. But make no mistake the boycott hits Murdoch. The fact is that other arms of his media empire did not attack Liverpool fans in the same way as The S*N, so to extend the Boycot to these organisations would be seen as unfair. To etend the boycott only serves to dilute it and weaken its effectiveness.

At about 9pm Sheila Coleman from the HJC called me to confirm that the features editor of the S*n had been in touch. He had started by declaring that the apology would be the front page lead of the paper, a decision obviously quickly reversed. He then went on to share the content of the apology started as such and then running into a defence of themselves and Mr Rooney, running into an attack on their perceived rivals and a thinly veiled attack on the people of the City of Liverpool. After the call I felt a bit down as I shared the information with others, I don’t really know why, I had no reason to expect anything else from these lying bastards.

So yesterday evening I found many questions racing through my head, would this be a breakthrough that has considerable influence towards the road for justice? I should have known better, how could a major conspirator in the fight against justice expose the establishment conspiracy? They could not, they have continued to treat the people of the city of Liverpool with contempt.

The opening few lines of the article appears to constitute an apology, but even in there is the thinly conceiled lie that “We gladly say sorry again today: fully, openly, honestly and without reservation.” Expounding the myth that they had apologised for their actions.

Then comes their attack on you and me “Sadly, for some people in the city of Liverpool, forgetting — never mind forgiving — is impossible.” I can’t forgive them and I won’t forget them, why should I?

For many years the various editorial and reporting regimes have been very quick to distance themselves from the actions of their predecessors fifteen years ago, perhaps the one good thing to come out of this incident is that they have illustrated to all that this is as much of a myth and a lie as the rest of their actions. They have confirmed their true colours and yet again taken the opportunity to portray the people and football fans of Merseyside as mindless hooligans, hell bent on trouble.

The S*n interviewed bereaved parents as well as members of both the HJC and HFSG yet chose not to use any of the comments. They have confirmed that the their predecessors are alive and well in their newsroom.

To add insult to the numerous injuries that have been compounded over fifteen years these ignorant bastards then finish their propaganda exercise with an amazing line “it’s time to move in”. The press have created a national hero, the minority who simply cannot move on in their own small minded bigotry have vilified that hero.

How ironic that this rag that revels in nationalist bigotry tells us that fifteen years is longer than either world war, as though they never make any reference to these matters. The same rag that recently chose to illustrate Marc Vivien Foe’s dead body on its front pages. I simply cannot believe that they have the nerve to criticise us for being unable to forget their actions when they choose to compound them in such a manner, it truly is beyond comprehension or belief.

Anybody who considers buying this rag has no respect for the treatment they gave to Liverpool fans and the families of the bereaved. To portray the actions of this organisation as that of an individual, is naïve at best, conspiratorial at worst. Those who feel that we should forgive and forget should read Anne Williams Book, and how her fight for her dead son’s rights have been obstructed at every turn by the authorities. Those who wish to know how the families of the bereaved feel about this rag, should attend a HJC meeting on a Monday evening in Oakfield Road, and speak to some of the families- you will be left in no doubt of their opinions.

In conclusion, you should think of the 96 people who died at Hillsborough, their families and many survivors whose quest for Justice has been denied by the authorities and how The S*N as an organisation set out to deliberately mislead the British public that we are drunken yobs who pissed on and robbed our own, beat up and spat on the Yorkshire police.

The only language that The S*N understands is hard cash and the only way we can show that we will not and will never tolerate their treatment of us is to refuse to buy it! We are hurting them and we must continue to hurt them.


Duncan Oldham buys The S*n every day. He uses its stories on his website. He’s scum, and all of you who continue to support him despite that are, quite frankly, not much better yourselves. It’s time you found a new home. Boycott The Sun. Boycott Koptalk.


17 Responses to “Why no Red should ever buy The S*n”

  1. rupertinsider Says:

    ““John Mac” posted this just after The S*n printed their pathetic attempt at a point-scoring apology.”

    What date was that?

  2. barry wom Says:

    Rupert – it was early July 2004.

  3. Alan Says:

    Why does anyone still go on Koptalk, surely they are aware of the fact that he is taking articles from that shit newspaper.

    Fair enough, not everyone may be aware of the boycott, but, as a supposed liverpool fan he should not be posting it. If you got to any other LFC site, LFC Blog/fan page whatever, no one mentions the s*n as a source of news, apart from of course, Mr Blobby himself.

    When is he going to be back at Melwood?so i can go down and stand near him and tell the players over the wall (where he films from breathing heavily) that he promotes the s*n?

  4. Ordinary to Rome Says:

    It was July 7th 2004 – here’s the original article from john_mac on RAWK:


    and the HJC response on the same day:


  5. dataimaginary Says:

    Thanks for reminding us of that article.

  6. Bobo Says:

    Im sure you dont have to tell Liverpool fans not to buy the S*n it goes without saying

  7. chapeau du soleil Says:

    Bobo, you would be surprised

  8. bobo Says:

    I guess i would Chapeau but everyone knows what there about and there scum

  9. barry wom Says:

    bobo, the point is to keep drilling out the message of don’t buy the s*n, to help illustrate the madness of people who give oldham 30 quid to re-issue s*n stories. oldham tries to claim that buying the s*n is alright because it has LFC stories in it. koptalk members need to read this and realise what they are subscribing to. if this post by insider stops one person from subscribing to oldhams site, or stops one person buying the s*n, surely it’s worth it?

  10. redrum Says:

    I hardly go on these days, just pop in every now and then for a scout around, but there aint much happening. He had the cheek to suggest the international fixtures were the cause of the quietness – but everywher else, forums get busier when theres a few reds involved for their countries!
    My sub runs out early next year – I won’t be renewing.

  11. rupertinsider Says:

    redrum: Remember to cancel any automatic renewal order there may be if you paid by PayPal. If you want to know how – scroll back a week or so on the blog to “Don’t Let Koptalk Pickpocket PayPal”

    I agree. Our own amateur tracking info shows that an all-time low number of people are using “Koptalk” as a search term.

  12. sawyer Says:

    alan: as long as Oldham is still making money from his lies and deceit we will continue to expose him. It will be over sooner rather than later.

    For the record I don’t go on Koptalk much these days, not because I know about Oldham and don’t want to anymore but just because I don’t have the time at the moment, but when I do I will be back posting his lies here. Hopefully every article here as an impact on Oldham and his bottom line.

  13. staniola Says:

    well outlined argument there. 2 birds with one stone. F*ck the S*n and f*ck koptalk. just seen this feed on newsnow. fat boy’s getting twitchy!


  14. LSM Says:

    The lengths Dunk will go to seems to have no limits. He appears to have little or no sense of shame, a clear inability to admit fault, and not bothered about being contradictory or seeming foolish. His claim to be “genuinely unofficial” is starkly Orwelian, as is much of his marketing of late – turning a negative into a positive is admirable, but the usual self-censorship normal humans exhibit doesn’t seem to apply with the fat one.

    He seems to lack any sense of embarassment, but at the same time wouldn’t dare to show his face anywhere near a gathering of LFC fans. So this behaviour, whilst foolhardy, also suggests he knows what he is doing is wrong, but for some reason just doesn’t seem to care. Or possibly realises he has no other option due to the inescapable fact that he is rather thick. Knowing one is thick is contradictory of course, but this is Dunk we’re talking about here – a man who is both thick and guile-less.

    Personally I think as an individual, Dunk is a rather sad, pathetic man resorting to desperate measures to keep what he has, and the posessions such as the car, plasmas etc are simply the accoutrements that he acquires to establish his own self worth. It’s not uncommon unfortunately, but people like Dunk who have no natural talents, lacking in education or vocation, and who only know how to con others into feeding their hunger for self-worth are a dime a dozen.

    That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be stopped, and in the end maybe (but I doubt it) Dunk will finally realise what a loser he is and try to turn his fat arse into something resembling a useful member of society.

    Admission is the first step Dunk.

  15. rupertinsider Says:

    At least he did’nt say “towing” the line this time – so the blog has taught him something.

    One of our contributors has noticed that that feed that got him unto News Now is not his usual feed, so he may be up to his usual tricks of trying to manipulate News Now. We are watching and will take action as necessary.

    He is under pressure – he is being investigated – and we know from experience that this has the effect of making him recklessly cocky and more than usually stupid. Hopefully, he will blow up good.

    That “article” was rant against the Official Site or LFC. As we keep saying he is fundamentally anti-LFC – but probably more accurate to say he is single-minded pro-Oldham.

  16. geeko Says:

    rofl @ dunks article

  17. Insider Insider Says:

    Thanks for those dates and links “Ordinary to Rome”.

    I’m sure most people reading this don’t need telling about the boycott. Most people won’t. Imagine at work if a guy had lost his wife and kids in motor accident and then someone else at work went around telling everyone that the guy had pissed on his kids and beat up the policemen that came to help. What would happen to the guy making that up? What would you do, especially if it was so clearly untrue?

    The boycott of the S*n isn’t just about protecting the name of Liverpool FC and its fans, or the citizens of the city. It’s about protecting all decent people from any walk of life from the scum like The S*n and Kelvin McKenzie. Try reading the interview Kelvin McKenzie had with the Press Gazette to hear someone so arrogant and unfeeling that he’s proud of his lies in the past. That kind of journalism needs to be stopped – printing a story which damages and hurts others without making any checks over its accuracy first. Then when you are caught out not even bothering to correct it and apologise for it.

    In some ways Oldham’s worse than McKenzie. McKenzie claims he ran stories that he had been given by unnamed sources. He should have checked this out, he should have then apologised for allowing himself to be a part of something which perverted the course of justice. Oldham doesn’t work like that, waiting to hear something juicy from a contact then putting it out without checking it. He has no sources anyway, so he just makes the shit up himself.

    McKenzie and Oldham are similar in many ways, but McKenzie is a multi-millionaire on the back of his bullshit-spreading ways. He’s shit on bigger fish than Oldham could dream of shitting out. Every walk of life has arrogant selfish shit-stirrers in it – think of any part of your life where you come into contact with a group of people and you’ll think of at least one shitmonger in that group. Not all journalists are scum, it just seems that way because of the ones that are determined to make a name for themselves. Same with editors of newspapers and other media.

    Oldham loves attention and he’s had a hell of a lot of that this summer, but he’ll be gone if he doesn’t stop lapping up the attention. The more attention he gets the quicker his site will be nothing more than a memory. He’s too thick to realise that. There’s no point in keep printing every story he takes from the S*n now – it’s clear he’s trying to get some more of that attention because this blog is about the only place he gets attention from now.

    So if we ignore the S*n references from him a little more, he’ll look desperately for something else to get our attention. Perhaps that’s what his only News Now entry was about this week – a call for some attention. Every time he tries to get our attention he shoots himself in the foot. He gets the attention, another 20 members learn, his site dies a little bit more.

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