by Rupert Insider
This article is about ranking Koptalk’s traffic relative to some other sites (a) to test its long standing claim to be “No. 1 LFC Supporters’ Site” and (b) to chart its decline and fall.
Koptalk ranks no higher than 8th, maybe lower when all the stats are in.
Chart: Koptalk versus the LFC Official Site
1. Clearly, Koptalk ranks far below the LFC Official Site, which is the only other site which charges a subscription.
Koptalk also appears to rank far below the following free sites:
2. Shankly Gates
3. RAWK (Red and White Kop)
and marginally below:
4. Kopalk-Insider at WordPress (this blog)
6.The Liverpool Way (TLW)
and Koptalk is about level with:
8. Talklfc * But see the comment below about Talklfc’s higher ranking than Koptalk in normal times.
There are a number of other small sites. I did not check them all. Koptalk is only slightly higher than those I did check.
And Koptalk is still falling.
This article is more by way of starting discussion than expressing a firm judgement. Comments from the better-informed are welcome.
The statistics are taken from the ALEXA organisation. They relate only to users who have the ALEXA bar installed. So they are not comprehensive.
It’s been suggested that the more technically-aware user is more likely not to allow the ALEXA bar.
It’s possible that any given site has more than the average number of users who are without the bar, in which case their results will be under-reported. Likewise, those with more than an average number with the bar will be over-reported.
The ALEXA claim is that, even with these limitations, the statistics are a representative sample of what’s going on.
*Since posting the above, one of the founder’s of Talkfc said that normally it has 60,000 unique visitors a month and clearly ranks higher than Koptalk, but visitors have been unable to log on for some time due to technical problems. A new site is being built on a dedicated server after which it expects to resume its normal ranking. This being the case, Koptalk would be no higher than 9th.
EST 1892 is a few months old and Six Crazy Minutes has an even shorter history. I’m told there is usually a lag of a month or so before the ALEXA stats are recorded (and that applies to this blog, as well).
Some have interpreted the full ALEXA figures to show that YNWA, for example, has a higher rating. YNWA is a free site but has a policy of limiting membership. I’ll leave it to the better-informed to comment further.
The 12-months ALEXA stats for Koptalk show that it was even lower than where it is now in October 2005 and that it had a steep rise in December 2005 continuing into January 2006.
I’m told this is because a year ago Koptalk was divided between several addresses and Oldham brought them altogether on one server only in December-January. It’s only since then we have been able to get a comprehensive ALEXA view of all his hits, and test his claims to be the No. 1 LFC site.
Oldham repeatedly claims that this blog drives viewers to his site, as does critical comments on other sites. And we know that many of his current members are there only to watch the “car crash” as they wait for their subscription to expire. So deduct a suitable number of the Koptalk stats for us, and other morbid curiosity-seekers.
Finally, as I understand it, these charts show hits, not separate visits to a site. So a site that is designed to cause its visitors to jump around from place to place, opening or refreshing pages as they go – as Koptalk is – will have higher number of hits than a simpler site.
I would have published more charts but either Alexa is limiting me to two or the WordPress software has stopped working again. In any case, I give up!
I’ve compared a selection of sites from those listed in the right column on this blog. If you would like to check my listing or complete the list and find Koptalk’s final placing (no higher than 8th) compare other sites and see their charts. To do that just add their full url to the ALEXA comparison box at the web page given below. If you notice anything interesting please make a comment.
Koptalk versus ?-chart (fill in your site name) found here: