Abuse The Infamous AUP and We’ll Get You Fired!

That’s right, if you abuse the Koptalk’s acceptable use policy (AUP) you are now likely to receive an aggressive phone call from Koptalk HQ (in Newcastle) to your place of work threatening to report abusive behaviour to your boss.  

It doesn’t matter if you have provided your work phone number or not, they will figure it out from your email address, and if that fails they’ll get it from your IP address. One thing is for sure Duncan Oldham has taken a new stance to posting links to other LFC fansites. At least that’s what happened on Friday August 25th to Koptalk.con insider member Richi3. 

Richi received a surprise phone call on Friday afternoon. He recalled the conversation:

I just got a phonecall to my workplace saying that I’ve been posting abuse and that they will be calling my boss on Monday morning. “…didn’t catch her name, she said if the abuse continues that there would be legal action, and that my supervisor would hear about it on Monday. She asked me to enjoy the weekend though. Didn’t think there was anything abusive in my post though….” 

Obviously if you received a call like this to your place of work threatening, in so many words to get you sacked, wouldn’t you be worried too? After all it’s your livelihood. Your work and family is far more important than an Internet discussion forum surely?

Not for Oldham though, and what does he care about the livelihood of his customers, who incidentally he likes to refer to as part of his family in public, but behind the scenes there is something a whole lot different going down, and it all revolves around $$$. 

What happened prior to this event for Duncan Oldham to go to such extremes? As we know Duncan Oldham, and Koptalk HQ in general, have a history of threatening and violent behaviour to current and former members who fail to tow the party line. 

Richi3 had an email last week asking him to renew his expiring subscription to the Insider website. Just like many other Liverpool FC fans that have seen the light, richi3 decided against it and made the decision to leave a site that he felt had tricked him into coughing up his hard earned cash with the premise of insider information from within Anfield and Melwood.  

As we all know there is no insider information at Koptalk.con, it is all lies for the purpose of a disgusting Geordie conman to pay his gambling debts by tricking unsuspecting footie fans to part with their cash. A means to an end for Duncan Oldham you could say. 

On Friday afternoon after receiving the renewal email Richi3 decided to go out in a blaze of glory. He posted this on the Koptalk insider site. 

“Got asked for my subs today ..and you know what? I ain’t paying them. Why not? Well it’s pretty simple really.In the whole time I’ve been here, I’ve been told you can’t post this, you can’t post that, and I’m sick of it. So much so that I can give up the inside information that we get on here. Oh wait hang on…… The inside information that we pay to receive, but “can’t be spoon-fed” because…..emmmm…..that’d be too easy right? Oh and don’t forget the Nostradumus style predictions that could mean anything, or indeed nothing as they usually do.After I realised that there was no more inside information than on any other website, I thought I’d stay for the intelligent debate. Unfortunately 90% of people involved in it have moved to the following sites:<LINKS TO EST1892.co.uk AND SIXCRAZYMINUTES.com>

And the other ones which would be blanked out because Dunk is not in favour of any competition. I could waffle on for ages about things, such as people never receiving their prizes for the competitions, or any of the other things that are mentioned so often. But I’ll just say I hope you realise one day that you’re paying money for absolutely nothing that you can’t get on most (not all) of the other Liverpool sites for free.

Happy deleting mods!!!!”

Abusive? Not in the slightest.

So why has Oldham gone to such extremes now? 

Despite not seeing other Liverpool FC fan sites as rivals to Koptalk.con, Duncan Oldham really has a bee in his bonnet about links to the outside world, and he’ll do whatever it takes to stop it from happening. It is as simple as that really. 

Richi3 isn’t the only member to have been called up with these threats though. Murph posted a topic on the Koptalk insider site on Friday evening also reporting of a threatening phone call he also received on Friday afternoon, so too did AnfieldForever.

It doesn’t end there though, many other members are reporting on est1892.co.uk of such phone calls being made to them at their place of work. So be careful what you say or post on Koptalk.con, you could be the recipient of a threatening phone call and your job could be on the line.

If you’ve received threatening phone calls from a Newcastle based phone number please email us – sawyerinsider @ googlemail.com or koptalkinsider @ googlemail.com and please let us know.  We would also advise you to contact British Telecom to report the abusive call and if you feel personally threatened or abused by these calls to contact the police immediately. 

This is a new low for you Duncan Oldham. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

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19 Responses to “Abuse The Infamous AUP and We’ll Get You Fired!”

  1. sawyerinsider Says:

    insider just read your previous post but already posted a story about the phone calls, maybe you can add to it if you uncover any more info on what went on during 2.30pm and 4.30pm on Friday afternoon when these phone calls were taking place.

  2. Ste Says:

    That’s completely out of order and would get anyone in the sh*t at work. I hope KT readers are seeing this post and thinking twice about dealing with such a website that uses such information about its users! Surely there’s some sort of data protection or confidentiallity abuse going on here, with them using this data to contact a person’s employer? A*seholes!

    On a different note, at least they won’t get an answer when they call up on Monday morning with it being a bank holiday Monday, idiots! 🙂

  3. sawyerinsider Says:

    can I just add that Oldham requests ONLY private work email addresses now, not allowing any hotmail, gmail etc free email addresses, and this is probably the reason why he wanted all that personal information from his users. Not to identify you and protect your identity on the Koptalk website but to threaten you and get you sacked from your job!

  4. Fred Says:

    Is there anything which doesn’t contravene KopTalk’s AUP? This is a significant development. Most people use the internet as a form of entertainment, but where’s the entertainment value in worrying whether something you posted on an LFC forum might get you sacked from your job? I really hope the unenlightened members over there find out about this.

  5. sawyerinsider Says:

    fred: you’re right. this has huge implications and is a major development. Surely this will make people think twice about further participation on his site. I don’t give two hoots as I am my own boss but not everyone is in the same situation as I. It is very worrying indeed.

  6. rupertinsider Says:

    Its very worrying for Oldham. It is a sign that he is breaking up. Expect even more irrational and excessive reactions from him.

  7. Paul.S Says:

    I try to keep out as much as possible, however, there is one thing that is still irking me,

    One of our members posted this image – http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9007/kt1jg7.png

    The bit that worries me is the sections asking for your password. He can’t use it as a verification excuse as your password will be encrypted in the DB for the Forum. So why ask for your password?

    Bear in mind, he’ll have your password on file, and although working in I.T I should know better, on 99.9% of sites, I use the same e-mail address/password.

    This is 110% total dodgy!

    Rest assured, on est1892, your passwords are totally encrypted in our DB.

  8. ScouseUK Says:

    id love to sign up post something abuseive just so i could recive a threatening phone call lol being a scouser i dont take kindly to threats and would have his mar in tears lol what a prick,this guy needs a serious arse kicking to bring his big head down to earth with a fat bump

    i love this blog plz plz keep up the great work you do on here

  9. barry wom Says:

    Paul.S, I have never provided him with my password, but many years ago whhen he 1st started the insider, i was having problems logging in. I sent him a mail and he sent my password back. I have never used that password on anything else since. Obviously on whatever system he was using in the past (I have no idea or indeed care what software he used then and now), but his authentication process did not use password encyption back then.

    If anyone is still using the same password now as when they joined, they should ensure they do not use this username/password combination elsewhere.

  10. Rich Says:

    I didn’t even think Oldham would ever sink as low as this. He is effectively blackmailing people. All Ritchi3 did was refuse to pay him anymore money and he got a threatening phonecall.

    What we are dealing with now appears to be a very deeply disturbed and unpredictable individual.

  11. jj_sawyer Says:

    also noticed he was making jokes about it on his site yesterday, telling steve to ring a few more people up. what a low life.

  12. sentinal chicken Says:

    Surely this counts as some sort of abuse of the data you have given him, and thus is in some way contravening the data protection act, which he isn’t actually signed up to but should be given the data he is holding on his members?

  13. sawyerinsider Says:

    some people on EST are asking about the thread where Dunk made a comment about the phone calls – not to give away my identity I will post it here.

    The thread is in The LFC News & Discussions area of the insider website and the title of the thread is “REDS” – there is a comment half way down regarding the phone calls.

  14. sawyerinsider Says:

    here it is for prosterity

    Pages: 1
    Dunk
    KopTalk Daddy

    Reged: 20/08/04
    Posts: 9781
    Loc: KOPTALK

    Reds
    #1623215 – 27/08/06 07:49 PM Reply Quote

    I met some Reds this week… total die-hards but a couple of them were completely off their heads

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    …and the big man’s always, always, happy to see ya…

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    robertomarsh
    Gold Member

    Reged: 08/07/05
    Posts: 128
    Loc: Sussex

    Re: Reds [Re: Dunk]
    #1623217 – 27/08/06 07:54 PM Reply Quote

    i know its ur gaff, but i suggest u get ya coat

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    Dunk
    KopTalk Daddy

    Reged: 20/08/04
    Posts: 9781
    Loc: KOPTALK

    Re: Reds [Re: robertomarsh]
    #1623220 – 27/08/06 07:55 PM Reply Quote

    ——————–
    …and the big man’s always, always, happy to see ya…

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    drogred
    Silver Member

    Reged: 21/08/04
    Posts: 27
    Loc: Ireland

    Re: Reds [Re: Dunk]
    #1623289 – 27/08/06 08:59 PM Reply Quote

    someone really loves his new camera doesnt he!

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    Dunk
    KopTalk Daddy

    Reged: 20/08/04
    Posts: 9781
    Loc: KOPTALK

    Re: Reds [Re: drogred]
    #1623302 – 27/08/06 09:07 PM Reply Quote

    Quote:
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    someone really loves his new camera doesnt he!

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    Look cut me some slack.. I thought it was witty

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    …and the big man’s always, always, happy to see ya…

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    ST3
    KopTalk Editor

    Reged: 12/09/03
    Posts: 5551

    Re: Reds [Re: Dunk]
    #1623305 – 27/08/06 09:09 PM Reply Quote

    In fact, you wait and I will get your coat for you

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    Dunk
    KopTalk Daddy

    Reged: 20/08/04
    Posts: 9781
    Loc: KOPTALK

    Re: Reds [Re: ST3]
    #1623312 – 27/08/06 09:14 PM Reply Quote

    Would you like me to lift you up to reach it?

    ——————–
    …and the big man’s always, always, happy to see ya…

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    ST3
    KopTalk Editor

    Reged: 12/09/03
    Posts: 5551

    Re: Reds [Re: Dunk]
    #1623323 – 27/08/06 09:23 PM Reply Quote

    yes please

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    Katie
    Community Support

    Reged: 11/07/06
    Posts: 108

    Re: Reds [Re: ST3]
    #1623355 – 27/08/06 10:00 PM Reply Quote

    Dont worry Dunk, I laughed

    ——————–
    New English Premier League Champions Liverpool Fc 2006 – 2007

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    Fredo
    Honorary Member

    Reged: 01/07/03
    Posts: 6147
    Loc: Home sweet home

    Re: Reds [Re: Katie]
    #1623358 – 27/08/06 10:05 PM Reply Quote

    Quote:
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    Dont worry Dunk, I laughed

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    (bah)

    ——————–
    Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.

    Eric Raymond

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    Dunk
    KopTalk Daddy

    Reged: 20/08/04
    Posts: 9781
    Loc: KOPTALK

    Re: Reds [Re: Katie]
    #1623364 – 27/08/06 10:09 PM Reply Quote

    Quote:
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    Dont worry Dunk, I laughed

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    Nice one…. ask Steve to call a few more people up for me

    ——————–
    …and the big man’s always, always, happy to see ya…

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    Katie
    Community Support

    Reged: 11/07/06
    Posts: 108

    Re: Reds [Re: Dunk]
    #1623379 – 27/08/06 10:19 PM Reply Quote

    Haha ok then

    ——————–
    New English Premier League Champions Liverpool Fc 2006 – 2007

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  15. You know who I am Says:

    Tit

  16. Giles Says:

    Latest –

    DunkAdministrator
    KopTalk Daddy
    ****
    Reged: 20/08/04
    Posts: 9934
    Loc: KOPTALK

    For those who said thanks
    #1629861 – 01/09/06 03:00 PM
    Reply to this post Reply

    It’s 1.45pm and I’ve just got up. I’m shattered… just don’t tell Steve as he thinks I’m working at home

    I’m going to HQ in a few minutes and will spend the day adding the other stuff for you and then we’ll do a podcast today about it all. You might find it interesting.

    Over the summer I have taken a lot of stick and abuse. We made the brave decision that we needed to enforce a zero tolerance policy on the site relating to abuse and silly posts etc. I’m not talking about banter, I’m talking about things that overstep the mark.

    As a result some members have left and a few more tag on as they’re friends. That’s understandable. It doesn’t bother me because I’m only concerned in the people who want to be here.

    Rival sites and blogs have been created over the summer. For some reason they feel the need to target our members here. Again, I can handle that. However, there is an unwritten rule in life that you should never involve someone’s family.

    During the last few months we have been receiving prank calls, hate mail, threatening emails and so on. Fine, it comes with the territory. It only reinforces our belief that who is responsible shouldn’t be here as a member or members.

    What isn’t fine is that they have targeted my disabled cousin Lauren and her family. They have targeted my mother, a widow and they have targeted my children who have been really scared over the last few weeks. They are 6 and 13 yet someone thinks it is funny to manipulate photos of them and publish their address on the internet. They’ve been frightened.

    As a father they come first before anything so I have been considering my next move. My 6 year old lad Robbie came into my bedroom a couple of weeks ago at 3am and said “Dad, I’ve had a nightmare that the internet people have broken in to the house”. It wasn’t nice to see and my first reaction was that someone’s going to get their knees shot out.

    Do I jack it in (after a year’s notice) or do I advance? Firstly I don’t need to provide any of KopTalk. I could have retired when I was 25 when the huge companies were throwing money at the internet before the .com bubble burst. Instead I bought some properties for our family and my mum. Basically we’re secure. Not rich, but we’re secure. Maybe some people don’t like the fact that someone’s done ok for themselves (and this was pre-Insider/GC website days).

    The reason that KopTalk continues is because I love what we do. It’s supposed to be fun and it is to us. I absolutely love interacting with Reds from all over the world every day of the week. We source all the news for them to try and save them doing it. We like to think that we’re helping them. It gives great satisfaction.

    The primary aim of KopTalk is to survive, to exist. Nobody, including myself, receives a wage. Steve works 7 days a week from 7am until after midnight, both of us usally do. It’s our life. He gets a roof over his head, I bought him a car which benefits the site and he doesn’t go without. We work as a team.

    On the net you read all this [oops] about me and I’ll respond through my book which will be out this season. They slate me for the delay but they don’t realise how little free time we have. So I get no wage, it’s all doom and gloom, what a hero? No not at all. There’s no wage but if there’s money in the kitty then yeh, I’ll treat myself or me mam. I also have a fmily to provide for. Isn’t it rather sad that I have to justify this?

    So do I pack in? I’ve thought about it every year for years but I’ve always plodded on. Or do we advance further? We’ve just had a bid accepted on a property adjacent to Melwood which will be ours within a few months if we sign for it. The benefits from this will be amazing for the site.

    Do we need to buy it? No. Did we need to camp like tramps outside Melwood for a few days? No. We could easily work 9 to 5 Monday to Friday and put in a few hours over the weekend if there’s a game. Do we? No. You come online and find a time when either msyelf or Steve aren’t watching things for you. We even mod the forums ourselves now 24/7 i.e. very minute of every day to try and prevent these idiots who lurk here from spoiling YOUR communities.

    If people choose to follow friends to other sites, well so what, it’s not school is it? Why the drama? Why not just go? Everyone’s old enough and daft enough to make their own decisions in life.

    They can keep pranking us, threatening us and so on but they won’t make a decision on whether we ever pack in. The only people that count are the members here. If we feel there’s support here then we’ll plod on, if we feel we’ve lost it, then we’ll go. It’s no big deal. We won’t cry about it. We’ll just chill out for a bit. It’s your site, it’s your call.

    People have to remember that we’re a fans site. The contacts and friends we have made is mind boggling. It’s been an achievement. We could name sources, positions etc but we’d lose them and some ordinary Joes would lose their jobs. We don’t have the resources of the big media organisations but look at our set-up? Not bad is it considering. We do what we can how we can. Most things we try to do the club try to block. They’ve tried to stop us using photos of Liverpool players for example even though we’re registered and have a licence with the Premier League. They tried to stop us selling official kit through our supplier JC Sports because we offered free postage which saved overseas Reds around £15 per order. Because we offered free postage, we didn’t get commission. We did it for our readers.

    So there you have it. Membership of the Insider and the Gold Club is vboluntary. Nobody makes you be here. We don’t want to lose any decent folk, we just want the idiots out. That doesn’t mean anyone has left is an idiot, they may be just friends of an idiot or someone who needs to bend the truth a little.

    Nobody gets banned by us, they ban themselves. Usually we suspend their account and try to have a friendly word, if they ignore us or tell us to **** off, then I guess they’ve banned themself. If they listen to us and see our point of view etc then if they were educated enough, they’d understand why we moderate the forums for example, like we do.

    You’ll hear them cry “If you disagree with Dunk, he bans you”. Oh please, everyone disagrees with me. I know nothing. I’m a numptie. I rated Cisse remember!!! I’d be here alone if that was true.

    People who are abusive to other members will be kicked out. Usually we have a word because passion can spill over. Common sense prevails surely. To be honest that’s the only reason you’d lose your sub unless you’re spamming or trying it on. But when they leave, some people can’t handle it. They say how terrible we are yet they then dedicate their lives to talking about us on other sites. That’s how you can tell which other LFC sites to take seriously. Do you see us EVER slating other sites? No.

    They then say we’re scare of other sites because we register similar domain names. Not true. When someone spams our members or tries to disrupt our communities, then we’ll do what is necessary to prove a point and they don’t like it. They think it’s fine to spam our forums but if we trace the abuse back and contact them at the originating point i.e. a workplace or college, they say it’s not fair. RAWK… have we ever registered a domain associated to Rushian’s site? No. Why’s that then? Because Rushian is a decent enough bloke. We’ve exchanged the odd bit of banter over the years between each other and while we may have different views on life or LFC, he’s never acted live a 5-year old towards us.

    I’ll explain much, much more in my book THIS season ok. I just wanted to throw a quick message up saying that if you appreciate the site and if you really do appreciate the work we put in for you then please, let us know because sometimes we need a lift.

    Many other LFC sites accept donations and give nothing back. Instead of asking for donations we created a members site where we try to give something back. If a member comes to us for help about LFC or something non-LFC related, we bend over backwards to help them. A member asked yesterday if we could get some Gonzalez pics for his daughter… straight away I called Steve and told him what he had to do.

    We enjoy what we do, we don’t want anyone to go anywhere, but it’s your choice.

    I know that the persons responsible for threatening my family and scaring my kids has access here. All I’d say to you is you must have too much time on your hands. You’ll never break me, ever. My family has been through so much in life that an internet stalker ranks at the bottom of the pit. Ask anyone that knows me and they’ll tell you you are wasting your time. The readers and members are the only people that count.

    People say go to the police, go to this, go to that. What’s the point? If I need to do anything, I’ll see it’s taken care of myself.

    You’re faceless. You daren’t reveal yourself, you daren’t reveal your contact details, you daren’t knock on my front door. You’re a coward. We know who you are (a couple of members are police officers and you forget my father was a copper too) and we know where you live but do you know what, I aint gonna do anything because my kids come first. I’ve declined the hitter (yes I laughed too at the time) although when my lad was crying it was tempting. I was just explaining to an associate over a drink about what had been happening with the kids. Immediately this guy (who I know) nearly lost control and said that kind of stuff should never happen. It might have been the best £500 I’ve ever spent but if I gave the nod, I think I’d be giving in. Go anywhere near my kids though and you’ll be pushing up the daisies, guaranteed.

    If you want to dedicate your every minute to talking about me, my family and my website, you must live a sad and shallow existance. You receive the support of the rejects and not the tens of thousands of Reds who email me every year telling me how much they love the site. Think about it. Take a look around yourself and compare your life.

    As for the members here, many of whom are extended members of our family, just let us know when it’s time for me and Steve to start cleaning windows to keep ourselves occupied.

    I don’t intend to reply to this thread because I don’t want a debate. I just wanted to post a statement if you like to say thanks for the support and to remind people that life’s too short for nonsense. All we want here is LFC. That’s all we care about. It’s just a shame that some so called Reds don’t respect their fellow fans. It’s just a website ffs. It might be funny to some of you but come on, please leave my kids out of it.

    If anyone wants to email me personally, my email address is editor@koptalk.com

    I’ll be in the office soon.

    YNWA

    Strangely enough, he doesn’t mention Charlotte having nightmares about her father joking on a live podcast about sleeping with her friends.

  17. sawyerinsider Says:

    I have read it and it is full of holes and contradictions. We will be disecting it over the weekend.

  18. mineeyeshavebeenopened Says:

    thank you the good people of this blog!

    i realise now that i have been taken for a ride by some fat, slimy arsehole and that i have to do something about it.

  19. yellowbelly74 Says:

    Koptalk is exactly the same as a cult or sect of some sort. It’s got an all powerful tyrant at the top that’s only in it to make money and has a following of brainwashed people who refuse to (or won’t let themselves) see the light. I only got out myself a few days ago (thanks to this blog).

    I remember seeing a post on this blog saying that you could email the individual users on koptalk to advise them to get out. But I remember a post on Koptalk a couple of months ago from a “user” (possibly Dunk himself) complaining of receiving spam from banned Koptalk users. So Dunk advised all users to hide their email details in their profiles. I even did it. But I now know this so called “spam” was only people from here trying to save the poor souls who continue to throw their money away.


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