Touching cloth at Koptalk HQ

Duncan Oldham’s headline reminded me of a saying that I personally hadn’t heard until a Geordie said it one day. Without being too graphic about this, where some people might say things about turtle’s heads, this Geordie spoke of “Touching Cloth”. As soon as I saw this headline today, I subconsciously mixed up “Touching Base” and “Bull Shit” and got “Touching Cloth”.

Sorry to go on. Duncan’s latest update…

Dunk    KopTalk Daddy
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The source touches base
#1577171 – Fri Jul 28 2006 08:40 PM
While recording tonight’s podcast – which we had to scrap as a result and record it again – my source touched base regarding investment.

None of the interested parties (*the individual potential investors of which there are more than 1) are approaching the club because Moores doesn’t want to sell.

I could talk more and more about it but it’s boring. If you really need to know listen to tonight’s podcast that will be on the site soon.

Nobody believes the club will have any money come 28th September, they are all expecting Parry to say that they are exploring other avenues of investment etc etc etc blah blah blah.

Reports in the local press this week claimed the club are talking to parties and are at an “advanced stage”. No coincidence that this was published just before the Objective 1 committee meeting.

You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours, right?

No more finance and investment talk from me until September

* There are several people, persons, interested parties but none are making moves. Although all out for themselves, they all share the same opinion that Moores doesn’t want to sell and until he comes out and says he does, they’ll hold back because there’s not approaching if Moores won’t go further. In my opinion the club are trying to hold off on investment and just try and find a sponsor for the stadium. Kenyon’s out of the country working on commercial partnerships… Parry’s watching the lads train.
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Told you it was bullshit. I really don’t know where to start with it, so I’d appreciate if one of you financial experts that read this blog would leave some comments on the issues. I’ll point out the bit that nobody in their right mind would have to stop a podcast recording and then have to re-start it because of one phone call. Even in bygone times when people recorded things on cassette recorders they had a pause button. Duncan probably thinks they filmed Lord of The Rings in one take. Sorry, I’ve gone full circle here, we started off talking about rings.

I think the bit about holding back just in case Moores won’t go further was another quite funny bit, but I’d like someone who understands these things better than me to rip this to shreds. The only other financial advice I’ll give here is to save your thirty quid, because that’s the sort of crap you’d be paying for on the Insider.
Just wanted to point out very briefly how the signs that Koptalk is dying are there for all to see. This post from someone who’s been a member for nearly four years is a good indication of the decline of Duncan’s empire –

rik    Silver Member
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What had happened? Have I missed something?
#1576746 – Fri Jul 28 2006 04:13 PM
Friday afternoon when nobody in their right mind wants to do any work yet Koptalk hasn’t had more than 64 users all afternoon! Where is everybody?

What have I missed?
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I’ve noticed this kind of comment more and more lately, and I think it’s only a matter of time before it becomes a banning offence on the two sites.
Earlier on I posted extracts from a thread where Dave Usher (TLW) and Elisha (YNWA) were mentioned by a Koptalk user as having predicted Kuyt would be signing today. In case the post made you think they had said these things, they hadn’t. And I’ve no idea why Duncan Oldham would want to call Dave Usher, other than through jealousy. Dave Usher’s not sat in an old shed tonight pretending he’s getting phoned up by top-class businessmen over investment moves at Anfield. And if he wanted to sit in a shed pretending such things, he’d not be wearing a blond wig and recording himself chatting to a seventeen-year-old boy. (Unless I’ve missed something!).

One of the blog’s unpaid, self-appointed and extremely helpful researchers posted this for us earlier to clear up what Elisha and Dave U had said about Kuyt.

Whois Lookup  Jul 28, 7:53 PM

Neither Dave U nor Elisha have claimed Kuyt was signing Friday.

In fact they’ve said the opposite – we won’t sign Kuyt without selling two or three fringe players first (Dudek, Traore, Kromkamp).
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Whois Lookup Jul 28, 8:13 PM

Elisha’s only comments in the last four weeks on Kuyt were: “I think we will need to sell before a forward is bought. Djimi, Dudek, Kromkamp maybe? The money just isnt there for Kuyt or whoever at the moment.”

http://www.ynwa.tv/forum/index.php?showtopic=107282&st=660&p=1428369&#entry1428369

27th July 2006, 12:58 PM

Dave last comments on Kuyt were: “Alves would have taken up virtually all the cash Rafa has left. As it stands, he still needs to sell before he has the money for Kuyt, but if he’d bought Alves he’d have to raise a lot more cash. Clubs aren’t exactly lining up to take our unwanted cast offs.”

http://forum.liverpoolway.co.uk/showpost.php?p=461655&postcount=494

26th July 2006, 01:23 PM

His only other comment in the last 10 days when asked about Kuyt was: “I haven’t heard anything recently, which is why I haven’t posted anything. When I hear something, you lot will be the first to know!”

http://forum.liverpoolway.co.uk/showpost.php?p=461455&postcount=413

26th July 2006, 11:21 AM

There’s no charge to go there for those snippets and more if you want them – you have to register free of charge to join YNWA. If you’ve any trouble registering at YNWA they left an address on here the other day you can get in touch with to explain your problem. Failing that email me and I’ll pass it on to them for you.

If this person leaving this comment is the one I think it is he’s another person who’s met more Liverpool players than Duncan Oldham could dream of. And he’s done more for the official site than Dunk could ever possibly hope to. It’s a good example of how Dunk steals anything he can to claim as his own, and how he often falls over his own lies. Again this was left in comments earlier tonight. Thanks DT.

DT Jul 28, 8:37 PM

Mr. Oldham is an embarrassment to the Reds internet community. He would do well to look at Dave Usher for input on how to behave on the internet and how to run a forum. Dave’s made no fortune off his site or fanzine, but at least most people – TLW users or not – respect him for what he is, a genuine red.

The best example I can think of to illustrate the difference between the two is when Dave broke the story that Liverpool were about to sell Danny Murphy (to Spurs who were looking like signing him before he went to Charlton instead) and Oldham rubbished the story. Oldham had previously hinted that Murphy was one of his sources, yet only a few hours after having declared that the TLW story was rubbish, I’m fairly sure he claimed it as an exclusive. Wouldn’t he have known about it before Dave, if he knew Murphy?

No wonder Duncan’s touching cloth. I’d say he follows through a good few times a day too.

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13 Responses to “Touching cloth at Koptalk HQ”

  1. rupertinsider Says:

    A a list of the names Oldham (and Steve) (and DJ) calls his readers and paying members:

    booted
    sorry individuals
    zoo
    muppets
    numpties
    idiots
    bellends
    bitters
    girls
    wittering girls
    bitches
    inmates
    rejects
    trolls
    loons
    jealous
    fecking 6-year-olds
    need to take their heads out of their asses
    pr1ck
    childish
    kiddies
    split arse

    30 yr somethings acting like teenage girls – Steve

    benders – DJ
    cnuts – DJ
    split-arses i.e. women – DJ

    anymore?

    Please note “feedback” on KT has now been classifed as “whinges”

  2. Fred Says:

    This is the area which riles me most – Dunk is an uneducated oaf. He patronises his members as if they’re dimwits, but in reality he’s down there with the most intellectually challenged members of his site. I think Dunk has deficient reasoning skills. At my old school people like Dunk were referred to as ‘remedials’.

  3. An Observer Says:

    Touching shit would have been a better title.

  4. rupertinsider Says:

    If he ever gets on Mastermind, he should not choose LFC investment plans as his special subject.

  5. darkstar Says:

    All I have to say about this individual is that, since reading this blog and experiencing the past few weeks. He will never receive anymore money from me, what a fraud. I feel totally dumb for the 7+ years that I have been in someway funneling money towards this person. I started getting the feeling last year, now I’m glad that I see things as an”OUTSIDER”

  6. Dunk thinks I am his pal Says:

    he would be no good on millionaire he has no friends to phone!!!

  7. chapeau du soleil Says:

    he’d have wallet, Insider and Pat McCat on his list. Whoever was called, Oldham’s mobile would start ringing 🙂

  8. Insider Insider Says:

    I think Mr Oldham may be getting rid of some of these posts from the “Touching Cloth” thread when he sees how ridiculous they make him look…

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    Re: The source touches base [Re: Shaya]
    #1577785 – Sat Jul 29 2006 09:45 AM

    Quote:
    Now that the investment isn’t going ahead etc….. is there any chance you can reveal or shed any light on the interested parties and, they’re relative plans for the club, that you were aware of?

    Always nice to know what you’ve missed out on!

    I think its clear Moores & Parry are looking for another Carlton type deal to balance the books and get the stadium moving….. what good that would do against the money of Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal (who will be one of the biggest clubs in the europe (financially) in 5 years, just as Man Utd are after their stadium investment, and also Newcastle…… the only thing we have going for us is Rafa, all i hope is that he doesn’t get pissed off by the failed promises of Moores – as i firmly believe he was given assurances of finances for transfers before signing the new contract….

    I don’t think Dunk can say anything until it’s dead mate as although no one is moving we may get into a position were Moores may have to accept selling the club IF we can’t get stadium sponsor in the next 2 months.
    All I can say that I’d like this consortium to take over, same as I wanted Kraft involved. Think many thing would be addressed and I don’t just mean loads of wonga on the table!
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    Environmentally Friendly Dunk [Re: Dunk]
    #1577817 – Sat Jul 29 2006 10:04 AM

    Quote:
    While recording tonight’s podcast – which we had to scrap as a result and record it again – my source touched base regarding investment.

    None of the interested parties (*the individual potential investors of which there are more than 1) are approaching the club because Moores doesn’t want to sell.

    I could talk more and more about it but it’s boring. If you really need to know listen to tonight’s podcast that will be on the site soon.

    Nobody believes the club will have any money come 28th September, they are all expecting Parry to say that they are exploring other avenues of investment etc etc etc blah blah blah.

    Reports in the local press this week claimed the club are talking to parties and are at an “advanced stage”. No coincidence that this was published just before the Objective 1 committee meeting.

    You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours, right?

    No more finance and investment talk from me until September

    * There are several people, persons, interested parties but none are making moves. Although all out for themselves, they all share the same opinion that Moores doesn’t want to sell and until he comes out and says he does, they’ll hold back because there’s not approaching if Moores won’t go further. In my opinion the club are trying to hold off on investment and just try and find a sponsor for the stadium. Kenyon’s out of the country working on commercial partnerships… Parry’s watching the lads train.

    Dont you just have to admire those guys who recycle!

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    Re: The source touches base [Re: Dunk]
    #1577892 – Sat Jul 29 2006 11:13 AM

    I have nothing personal against David Moores and at the end of the day he can do as he likes with Liverpool FC because he has control. Whether that is for the good of the Club you can argue till the cows come home. What really stinks is that Parry and Moores treat the supporters like idiots. For 2-3 years we were drip-fed on this great new Stadium and great new era. Now what do we get – almost a deafening silence. Talk about living in the past. Not only don’t they have a clue about marketing the Club and maximising revenue, they entered into a massively stupid gamble driven by short-sightedness about keeping the Club in the Anfield area. To agree to be part of a north Liverpool regeneration project always looked doomed from Day 1.

    I always defend the Club against anyone who knocks it – especially with respect to the way Rafa is rebuilding the playing side and with respect to the great supporters and our history. But I won’t defend Moores and Parry unless they start talking honestly and realistically about the new Stadium and how and when we are going to finance it. You get the horrible feeling that Moores thinks he can survive on Rafa’s coat-tails – i.e. playing success will shield him from demands for his resignation. That suspicion is greatly increased when you remember his embarrassing performance at the AGM a couple of years back when he almost tearfully accepted he might have to resign. Then Rafa and the team did an extraordinary thing – they won the Champions League. The legacy of that appears to be that Moores has convinced himself that Rafa will save him and the Club.

    I’m still just about willing to accept that they know what they are doing and that some investment will soon be in place. But if the truth is as bad as we suspect then the backlash against both men could be massive, especially if Rafa hasn’t got us at the top of the League.

    One also suspects that there is a game of poker going on here – but I wouldn’t back our two men to win a game of snap let alone poker.

    And just to rub salt into the wound, it now looks like even Everton could be there before us and with a far better and more practical and sensible proposal for a new Stadium. Just why is LFC so stupid?
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    Re: The source touches base [Re: kirkby1red]
    #1578034 – Sat Jul 29 2006 12:47 PM

    Check Wilna’s comment on page 26 of lecter’s thread on shirt sponsorship. Basically said we are in talks over a £10mil shirt sponsorship deal, on hold until after the transfers are done, and that Parry implied that there may be new owners in a couple of months. Take it or leave it.
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    Re: The source touches base [Re: SonsOfTheDesert]
    #1578088 – Sat Jul 29 2006 01:21 PM

    following on from what I said on page 3 of this post, I seam to remember most of our reputable insiders saying that we have all but signed Leandro Somoza, well in actual fact he has signed for Villareal on a 4 year deal. What am trying to say is do not take what people on hear say as gospel. 9 times out of 10, they are wrong. As far as this post goes sit back & wait until September, instead of the instant doom & gloom that this post is portraying you might be jumping for joy. I think Rick Parry is more coy than people give him credit for we might even find out what is going on once the transfer window is shut.
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    Re: The source touches base [Re: leepool9]
    #1578198 – Sat Jul 29 2006 02:33 PM

    Quote:
    I think Rick Parry is more coy than people give him credit for we might even find out what is going on once the transfer window is shut.

    You’re right in as far as only those in the know really know. I think what worries us (well me at least), is Parry’s record on the financial side of things (which is after all a major part of his role at the club). Take as an example the recent sell-out of home shirts only a few days after release. This may just be a temporary balls-up, or symptomatic of a deeper lack of commercial awareness that goes right to the heart of the current administration. I hope the former, but fear the latter.

    It would be overstating the case to suggest that Parry is incompetent — he has ensured a reasonable transfer kitty over the years he’s been here, and good stability. However, as to whether he, and Moores for that matter, have the vision and acumen to keep this club competing with the Manchester UTDs, Chelseas and even Arsenals of this “new world order” is not a question of which I’m confident of a positive answer. Now is the time to be bold; to start building our castle on the football landscape of the next 20 years. At the minute we seem unable to buy a stone.
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    Re: The source touches base [Re: FrodshamRed]
    #1578199 – Sat Jul 29 2006 02:33 PM
    I share your opinion and conerns

    but as said in this thread earlier, there will be NO outside investment in LFC — not for the foreseeable future… the new stadium issue is a bit of a red herring — there may be outside investment in any possible new stadium — but Mr Moores is dead against that developing into control of or a major investment in the club as a plc.

    I stress I do not know David Moores personally, but all indications are from people who do know him (whom I know) suggests he gave up the idea of outside investors earlier this season and confirmed his decision shortly after the Cup Final.

    And for those who knock David Moores on this site — too many for my liking — I’d gently point out that he is the Chairman and Owner of the most successful football club in Britain this century in terms of major trophies won.

    There are also a lot of Koptalkers who also do not seem realise that the club was also the most successful football club in Britain in the last century also.

    David Moores owns the club : the club is hugely successful , particularly at the moment — we have our best chance of lifting 19 in probably 15 years this season — so why can’t everyone just forget this “outside investment crap ” and get behind the club/team?

    Memo to Dunk : you should scrap the investment stuff : it’s now way, way off target and I am a bit concerned that it will make KT look a bit behind the times as far as current thinking at the club is concerned ………..some of the alleged “insiders” are very out of the loop ….

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    Re: The source touches base [Re: Singred]
    #1578233 – Sat Jul 29 2006 03:09 PM

    Fair play to you mate as I know you’ve said I few times that you believed Moores wouldn’t sell. It’ll be interesting to see what happens at the end of september cos they’ll be immense pressure on him if we can’t at least fund the new stadium in some way (sponsorship!).
    By the way we are a PLC but not traded on the stock exchange.

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  9. rupertinsider Says:

    I can’t figure out who’s saying what to who. But its all rubbish anyway so who cares.

  10. est-er Says:

    rupert, I’ve spotted another Dunkism used to describe his customers : millitants

  11. rupert Says:

    A a list of the names Oldham (and Steve) (and DJ) calls his readers and paying members:

    militants
    booted
    sorry individuals
    zoo
    muppets
    numpties
    idiots
    bellends
    bitters
    girls
    wittering girls
    bitches
    inmates
    rejects
    trolls
    loons
    jealous
    fecking 6-year-olds
    need to take their heads out of their asses
    pr1ck
    childish
    kiddies
    split arse

    30 yr somethings acting like teenage girls – Steve

    benders – DJ
    cnuts – DJ
    split-arses i.e. women – DJ

    anymore?

    Please note “feedback” on KT has now been classifed as “whinges”


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