We were wrong about fatty going off to the BNP Social Club to watch England. He was in fact at home / Koptalk HQ writing some propaganda. No idea who this “andrej” person is, the person who alerted us to it reckons it could be one of Dunk’s aliases or someone he’s put up to it. Either way what Dunk says in response is, as always, innacurate. This was posted on the koptalkinsider site.
If you know that “andrej” actually does exist, then let us know. Also explain (if you know) why he says his location is “poland”, then says “Im half dutch/half polish and was born here. Despite that, i am and feel more foreign than english.” Where’s “here” exactly? I’m not having a go, just that this doesn’t make a lot of sense really.
andrej Silver Member
Reged: 15/10/02 Posts: 106 Loc: poland
An open letter to Dunk and England
#1520651 – 01/07/06 03:39 PM
Mr Oldham Sah,
To cut a long story short ive been away and on getting back have seen a huge ammount of flack given in your direction. Whether its merely on ‘other’ conspiracy sites alone or on here too, i dont know. Anyway i just wanted to write and give my open support, especially with regard your ‘so-called’ anti foreigner comments.
Im half dutch/half polish and was born here. Despite that, i am and feel more foreign than english. Thats my feeling anyway. But regardless of whether i felt as english as phil mitchell or as dutch as van basten, i am and always will be a foreign import, so to speak. Passport or no passport, im not essentially british. Its the nature of life and it probably helps to make the country the diverse place it is. But, i also never forget that england is named after the english and is by nature exactly that. While i would tell you to p*ss off if you tried to lamp me for entering your bastion of englishness(yr street)(which im sure you wouldnt), i can also see that you wish to remain english and that your street does too, especially at times like this. And why shouldnt you? It is england after all. Your comments may have been easily misconstrued and maybe you regret the fact that they may have been interpreted in a negtive way……but i would consider that they were nothing more than aa bit of patriotism during a special time and a grumpiness over the fact that england is not very english anymore. Its your country and if people like me dont like what an englishman feels or says we have every right to sod off back to where we came from. Im not saying its right for someone to throw racist slurs and abuse, but its plain to see that the ‘pc’ brigade have gone made and so has their grip n this country. So dont listen to them dunk……if i was in poland i might make a flippant comment in much the same way…especially as half of them are here anyway:) It wouldnt mean i hated foreigners there, just that i had a gripe from time to time cos my culture was being impinged on. And to those who slate the man, leave off……..if i as a foreigner understand dunks sentiments, then surely you lot can too. Good luck england….enjoy the game dunk and all of you. Stuff the bloody portugese….my dutch half wishes it more than anything after last week. Theres nothing wrong with lovely your own culture and missing its traditions and history. You lot are lucky…..think how crap poland were…..oh dear oh dear:)
DunkAdministrator kakTalk Editor
Reged: 20/08/04 Posts: 7923
Re: An open letter to Dunk and England [Re: andrej]
#1520666 – 01/07/06 03:57 PM
Thanks for that mate. I think they were referring to an editorial I threw up a few weeks back where I said something like I wanted to celebrate England’s participation with my fellow countrymen, just like my next door neighbour who is Italian and who wants to support Italy with his own countrymen. If that makes my neighbour and myself racist so be it.
My father was Irish, my grandfather Scottish and I like that mix. My best friend is black and American and I’m always pulling his leg about his race and he mine. Only twisted people would want to read things I say differently.
The proudest and most enjoyable thing about running kakTALK is coming into contact with Reds from all over the world. The amount of invites I get to visit them and their cultures is amazing.
I’d pay little attention to my fan club. Anyone that has to try and capitalise on the issue of race is either amazingly childish or thick.
What I said about supporting England with my fellow countrymen was meant to be more about communitiy spirit. You know, when for once, everyone supports something together instead of stabbing each other. Seeing people uniting in a club or bar together just for an hour or so is great to see.
I’m not a politically correct person as I have no time for do gooders that go overboard with their efforts because I feel they sometimes make things worse.
Anyway thanks for your post, time to watch the match
Let’s put the story straight (again) shall we?
Here’s what fatty said, in his http://www.dunk.org.uk “blog” before he realised he was being watched. He deleted the blog soon after we started publishing his offensive comments.
“Just got back home following our weekend in London. I am so glad to be back. It might be grim up North but I’d rather be up here with my own people than those miserable feckers down South. One thing I’d like to know is this… are there any English people left in London?”
That kind of remark makes you wonder about him. So we blogged it. Shortly afterwards the fat one decided to post these remarks as part of what he laughingly calls an “editorial”.
Bunch of miserable gits
(Rants on about whether English Liverpool fans should support England or not). Seeing England flags on houses and cars at the moment may be naff to some but it’s one of the very few times that you see communities unite. It is around here anyway, that’s if you have any English people left on your street.
A lot of councils are forcing householders to remove their England flags because it may offend others. Can you believe that [censored]? I’d love to see them try and take mine down. If an Englishman can’t display the St George on his own castle there’s something very wrong and if it offends the non-English, tough [censored], don’t live in England then.
In our view, if you put the two things together you get quite an insight into Duncan Oldham’s world. That’s all it is though – our view. We always ask that you read this blog with an open mind, and make up your own mind about him. Fatty never gives you that choice, he refuses freedom of speech.
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Andrej, if you aren’t just some part of Dunk’s fantasy world, you’ve clearly read this blog. It’s clear because of some of the things you mention in your “open letter” to fatty. Well why not engage in a discussion about Mr Oldham on here? Do it under a false name and false email address if you wish. We’ll ensure you don’t get stopped from saying what you think. His comments on foreigners really are the tip of the iceberg.
Duncan – we aren’t twisted, we aren’t childish. The more you try to say that the more your credibility suffers. We merely report what you say. You lie a lot, but despite the practice aren’t very good at it. As a result you contradict yourself all the time. Which is what we show.
In our view it’s a contradiction to say one of the main reasons you run your site is for the benefit of foreign Reds, when you make comments like the one you made on your return from London. Explain to us why it isn’t a contradiction.
And if you do decide it’s time for some honesty, explain your love of The Sun, what was going on when you claimed to have that Crouch tape, why you say you are friends with Steven Gerrard when you aren’t and all the other things we’ve highlighted. Perhaps you’d also care to tell us about your Robbie Fowler campaign too.