PART 2 – The Spice Boys Myth

Koptalk’s Goodbye to Robbie Fowler – “Close the Door on Your Way Out!”

by Rupert Insider

August 11, 2006


(This topic has been dealt with before on different pages. Several new readers have asked for an overview. For those not familiar with Liverpool I have added information about the restaurants and bars involved in the story. If you don’t like long posts, don’t even start! :) But to break it up, we will print it in three parts over a number of days. Subsequently, it will be archived as a single document).PART 2I’d like to take you back to July 2000, to the Moat House hotel on Paradise Street in Liverpool. That’s where Robbie was assaulted in the lobby toilet by two guys. One of them was in his late thirties, and he was subsequently sent to jail after being convicted of badly injuring Robbie’s face.Most genuine editors would know better than to endanger the prospect of a fair trial by speculating about circumstances of the evidence against the accused. But Oldham is not a genuine editor. He rummaged about like a wino in a dumpster. Perhaps it was a cocaine deal gone wrong, he speculated, perhaps extortionists who had something on Robbie. And when that hit-generating muck-raking was proven false by the trial he kept it going with “editorials” about the danger of Fowler’s habit of hanging about in bad company. He constantly cited the “spice-boys” myth as evidence that Houllier still had some clearing-out to do.

Have a look at the photo of the Moat House hotel as it was at that time.

Moat House Hotel LiverpoolYou can see the restaurant. It opens out into the hotel’s small lobby. There are a couple of bar-stools and small tables on the right. That’s where Robbie, and Steve McManaman and several of their friends, usually reserve team players, used to sit, tell stories and sip a beer from a bottle or a soft drink once or twice a week. They usually arrived at about 6.30 and left between 8 or 9, although on the night of the assault they were there later. They sat right there, as you see in the photo, practically in the hotel lobby, among the hotel guests and diners – with families milling around. The kids and parents would go over to ask for autographs or to pose for photos and the shyer ones would wait for Robbie or Steve as they made their way into the lobby and along the corridor that led to the toilet where Robbie was attacked.

Why did they use the Moat House hotel? It was not posh. In USA terms it was comparable to a small Howard Johnson – actually more like a motel. In the next few years, Liverpool would see the rapid growth in first class hotels, restaurants, clubs and bars – but in 2001 and 2002 there were very few. And as basic as it was then, the Moat House, was frequently hired by LFC for social events, or to provide “day rooms” when the squad were due elsewhere downtown and needed a place to assemble or change. Young players arriving at the club or those on trial were sometimes boarded there. The staff members in the hotel were very familiar with the goings and comings of LFC players. For Robbie it had something of a family atmosphere where he was among friends. (The Moat House was also used by Everton FC for similar purposes. Duncan Ferguson lived there for several months the first time he arrived.)

The hotel is located in the heart of the Liverpool shopping district, across the street from the BBC studios, between the bus station and a car park, and a few yards from the MacDonald’s on the Lord Street shopping precinct. It was a million miles away from the kind of swish, dimly-lit, cocaine-ridden night clubs associated with Chelsea players, for example, or the drug culture in the Manchester clubs were United players hung out. Only someone like Oldham, a stranger to Liverpool, and known to be contemptuous of Liverpudlians, could describe the place or the company as bad. It was not a place for “spice boys” – more like a diner for the boys from the neighborhood.

Wonder BarMove forward, to June 2001 and five minutes walk away to the Wonder Bar on Slater Street.
That’s where Robbie was attacked again at 2 am in the morning. He had been visiting the club with a couple of family friends and his partner Kerrie, whom he was to marry the following week. Both LFC and Houllier said the next day that Robbie was a blameless victim in that incident. But on KT there was the usual nudge-nudge, wink-wink, know- what- I- mean. It was another piece of ceramic in the “spice boys” mosaic which was Oldham’s and the tabloids frame of reference.

Anyone familiar with Liverpool will know that at any given time 50% or more of bystanders are Everton supporters. In the wee small hours, and while under the influence, some of them will act out a kind of tribal rage that Fowler – an Evertonian when he was a small kid – betrayed them by signing for LFC when he was fifteen.
So why did he visit the town centre in the evening? Mainly because he was born and raised in Toxeth – less than a mile away. His father and his uncles and other members of his family worked there or close by in the docks. It was home. Where else would he go?

It’s not difficult, therefore, to understand why Fowler and McManaman and many other players began to visit the new restaurants and bars in the Albert Dock, ten minute walk from the Moat House hotel. The Dock was on the bank of the River Mersey: it was quiet and out of the way: it had its own security guards: it was in the same complex as the appartments where several of the LFC players lived – including their close friend Jamie Redknapp.

Albert Dock

The Blue Bar at the Albert Dock was one of those new Albert Dock bar-restaurant complexes. Back in 2001 it was not so well-known and not as well-established as a hang-out for celebrities – the owners had to work at it. But in time Houllier dined there and sports journalists who covered LFC, like David Maddock of The Mirror, and players like Fowler and McManaman and Redknapp. When Anelka came to LFC, his agent-brother got a job there as a DJ. Nowadays you might even see Rafa there from time to time or Alonso, Sissoko or other players.  But what Fowler, MacManamand and the others did not know back in 2002 was the one of the owners of the Blue Bar, involved in its day to day management, was an active psoter on KopTalk.  I will comment more on the KopTalk- Blue Bar connection in Part 3.

Blue Bar LiverpoolHave a look at some photos of its interior.

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More about this scene in Part 3 which we will publish in a couple of days.

£8000 pa for a small messageboard’s hosting costs?

Apologies if the response time on the blog is slow tonight – maybe there’s some technical difficulties at WordPress.com, but I find that’s a rare event which is excellent considering WordPress.com are a free, and ad-free, host.

Especially when you look at how much money Dunkan has to spend on his sparsely populated forum.

Dunk
KopTalk Daddy
Posts: 2389

Loc: KOPTALK
09-08-06 01:31 PM – Post#296758

We will be moving the koptalk.org forums to their new server after the Community Shield clash with Chelsea.

As soon as that match is out of the way, we will begin the transfer (possibly Monday).

You will not need to re-register but you may find the koptalk.org server down for several hours as a result of us making domain name changes.

Announcements will be posted on www.koptalk.info and www.koptalk.com during the move.

The reason for the move is to provide you with an even better server. The forums continue to grow and so do we.

The current cost of providing these forums is around £2000 per year. From next week, that will increase to around £8000 per year.

Once the move is complete, we hope to be able to turn back on the numerous features that this particular forum software boasts. We have limited them at the moment due to the fact that the current server falls over when they are turned on.

I apologise about the disruption the move will cause but I’m doing this to try and provide you with the best experience possible.

Thanks.

Dunk
KopTalk Daddy
Posts: 2389

Loc: KOPTALK
10-08-06 04:35 PM – Post#298341
In response to caramel

I’d rather not have to pay it and it is a bit of a gamble but we’re now talking about hosting alongside some of the biggest websites in the world. If the move goes well then I’ll move the other sites also.

Those of you in the UK, especially those in the Liverpool areas, should all notice a dramatic increase in speed.

The forums continue to grow and so do we.” - half of that sentence is true, remembering when Dunk says “we” he means “I”.

“The current cost of providing these forums is around £2000 per year.”  No Dunkie – you told your friends at FusionBB.com that you were on a £59 per month server. That doesn’t work out anywhere even close to two grand. You lying webmaster you.

As for limiting the features on the forum because the FusionBB software was too heavy for the 1and1 hosting servers – well one or both of those parties might want you to clarify that. I’ve heard bad stories about both of them, but I really doubt that Private Messaging and the ability to look at other member’s profiles was down to crap software or a crap host. Especially with the drop off in numbers.

And, users in Liverpool will notice huge speed increases then? What about those users in Liverpool who have a service provider that isn’t based in Liverpool? Will it still be faster for them as well?

The only reason it will be noticeably faster on any benchmark test comparing next week with, say, March this year, is because you’ve lost most of your users.

And why splash out eight grand now, when you’re still sweating on Liverpool Football Club getting investment sorted by the start of the season? You’re quitting if they don’t – or did you forget?

Eight thousand Pounds Sterling? Approx $15,200 US. Approx €11,800. Less than the figure you claimed it would be on your now defunct blog last month, but still not true, not even close to being believable.

Is the fatty in Cardiff?

The owner of Koptalk, Mr Oldham, claimed he’d be going to all the Liverpool games this season.

He claims to have a season ticket too (which we’re still to see any proof of, like his other scams).

He was happy to show some proof of his charity shield tickets though, so maybe he’s got a season ticket (I can’t remember when they appeared, so I’m not sure where the ticket allocations were up to then). Maybe he paid a tout for them. They weren’t actually close-up photos either, so maybe they weren’t even actual tickets. With Oldham you can’t take anything at face value. You can’t buy anything at face value either, but that’s a story for another day.

We wondered at the time he announced he’d bought them whether or not he’d take a risk and mix with other Liverpool supporters. Not all Reds use the net, and not all who do have heard of Oldham anyway, but there’s a lot of people who want to meet him. They want their money back.

For this reason we seriously doubt he’s in Cardiff, but you never know, maybe he’s gone there after all. We’ll soon know – he always uses photographic evidence when he can. Like his ONE photograph of the return to training this summer at Melwood. A long distance photo of Gary Ablett. So, if he’s in Cardiff, expect numerous photos of him to prove it. He couldn’t resist the chance. No photos? No fat website owner in Cardiff.

He’s claiming it though -

SITE NEWS: Friday > Monday – news and transfer feeds
Please note that site updates will be limited between Friday and Monday as we’re heading to Cardiff for the Community Shield.

KOPTALK HQ will be manned as normal, so too will the forums etc.

Live news feeds –>>

Live transfer feed –>>

(The “live transfer feed” actually links to a domain name he’s seemingly squatted (anfieldrd. co. uk – the .com version is also registered to him and has his pathetic “You’ve been pied” holding page.) The domain name in turn is pointed at Sporting Life’s PA Sport feed. We’ve informed them of the abuse.) Steve’s not going with him (unless he’s changed his mind again) so why no updates? Steve is the editor after all.

A couple of days ago he was planning to start work straight after the match on his server move. The one that is probably more expensive to run per month than the BBC website. According to his claims anyway. He’d not decided to pretend he was in Cardiff until Monday at this stage -

Server Upgrade
Posted by Dunk on 09-08-06 01:27 PM

We will be moving the koptalk.org forums to their new server after the Community Shield clash with Chelsea. As soon as that match is out of the way, we will begin the transfer. You will not need to re-register but you may find the koptalk.org server down for several hours as a result of us making domain name changes. Announcements will be posted on www.koptalk.falseinfo and www.koptalk.coN during the move.

No New Approvals Until After Chelsea
Posted by Dunk on 09-08-06 01:26 PM

We will not be approving any new forum applications/registrations until after the Community Shield clash with Chelsea.

We’re looking forward to this server move. We’ll be able to see who this hosting company is that are so expensive, and what they offer for £900 per month.

I’m still fairly certain that Oldham is in Wallsall – or Scarborough (with the kids). We’ll see of course, as I said above. This post from him, at 10:30ish tonight, well this seems a little bit false to me. Well OK, it seems to be total bullshite to me -

Dunk   Executive Editor
Reged: Aug 20 2004
Loc: KOPTALK
Re: Parking in Cardiff? [Re: samhare]
#1600358 – Fri Aug 11 2006 10:25 PM

Quote:

Any special tips guys – off to the Community Shield on Sunday. Taking the car – is that a massive error? Am prepared to leave early. Your experiences on the trip down would be extremely appreciated, especially where to park easily?

Well I’ve just got here and the Reds are already touching base for the weekend
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Dunk  Executive Editor
Reged: Aug 20 2004
Loc: KOPTALK
Re: Parking in Cardiff? [Re: Dave100]
#1600375 – Fri Aug 11 2006 10:37 PM Reply Quote

FLMAO… I was just thinking to myself how much I hate this job… sat in a bar, laptop out pretending to work, some fine women and some lovely cider… nice here isn’t it boyo

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I’m prepared to be proved wrong, but I think that the key word in that last bit is “pretend”.

And if I am wrong, get some photos of him. Hold up signs next to him saying, “Koptalksucks.com“. And ask him where that book is.