The “pyramid” scam on the Koptalk.com website

Dunk’s internet scams have been many and varied, and go back a long time. Here’s one we’ve not covered before, unearthed by on of those who leave comments on this site. It’s always worth looking at those comments!

From one site Dunk would love to see banned, “The Wayback Machine”, this is the original entry for a pyramid selling scheme promoted on Fatty’s site in 2002. “Andrew’s private page“.

The infamous Steve from Koptalk is Steve MacNeish. The person who these cheques are payable to is Andrew MacNiesh. The postal address is that well-known “PO Box 145″ in Scarborough.

KOPTALK.COM APPROVED ADVERTISEMENT

Earn £600+ a month!!

Instant Web Site Business Package

Thanks to this business package I’ll be able to see Michael and the lads in action home and away due to my extra income!

Last month my own internet site brought in approximately £600 while I was at work in my normal day to day job.

The total earnings from this new site since January 1st 2002 has been just over £5,000 and your about to discover how I pulled it off and why I am preparing to leave my part-time job and concentrate more effort into this business.

Thanks to my initial investment of £15.00 I didn’t have to worry how I was going to renew my season tickets to see the Reds in action next season!

Heard it all before?

Not this one you haven’t!

You can do it too!!

Now, like me, you don’t need to be an internet guru, a computer wizard or a marketing genius. You can cash in on the internet as soon as you buy this package. You will be earning money while you are watching the Reds home or away, while on the move or even sat in the pub! This is because as soon as you have received the package it will automatically begin to run itself and it requires no effort from yourself once you follow the simple instructions which are sent to you by email. It should take you less than an hour to have your own business ticking over and revenue should then start to generate while you sit back and monitor the results.

What you get and why it will make you money…

You may find the whole concept hard to believe, however when I tell you that I have a tiny web site which receives well over 10,000 visitors per month without appearing in search engines, and on average 1 in 30 customers generating extremely high revenue, you will soon begin to see why this package is so profitable.

You will receive this very same web site along with the total package that I have designed and used for myself to great effect. Due to the tremendous amount of visitors your site will receive, and the way your site appeals to your visitors, on average 1 in 30 of these visitors will contribute towards your revenue of £600+ per month.

Due to the content of your site, visitors will be keen to sign up for the items you are promoting. All your sign up revenue you receive will be placed in a separate internet account for which you will receive a cheque at the end of the month in your specific currency (You do not have to be in the UK). Payments are not held by myself but by one of the world’s largest payment handling companies so you will not be ripped off!

Why am I selling this incredible package at such a low cost?

My friends tell me I should sell this valuable package for about £350, and people would still buy it. But I’m not going to sell it for anywhere near that much because a high price attracts less business and a lower, more realistic price attracts more custom and more happy customers means more money for me by word of mouth and future sales.

That’s why I’ve decided to practically give this package away and charge you a one-time fee of just £15.00

At the low, low price of £15.00 you can easily make back your investment in your first day.

There’s another BIG bonus I’m going to include

I am so certain that you will make healthy profit using this package that I will gladly refund your purchase of £15.00 if you have not made at least £150 in the first month!!

Now how’s that for assurance that this package will bring you in a substantial income!!

Full re-sale rights!!

Yes, there’s more!! I am giving you this package with full re-sale rights. Just think how much money you are going to make from simply selling this package on yourself? As I am sure you are well aware this package is going to be one of the most sought after products on the internet and before everyone has it you are going to have made quite a substantial income!!

HOW TO ORDER

ONLINE VIA PAYPAL – (£15.00 approx $23.00)
CLICK ON PAYPAL LOGO BELOW

SAVE £5 – ORDER BY POST (£10.00)

As I do not have to pay any third-parties for handling credit or debit-card payments, I am able to offer a saving of around £5.00 if you order by post. Send a cheque/postal order made payable to “MR. A. MACNEISH” or cash (ensure it is secure and not visible) with your full name and email address written clearly to ensure that I can email you your important details, to:-

Mr Andrew Macneish
Internet Development Services
P.O. Box 145
SCARBOROUGH
YO12 7XU
ENGLAND
U.K.

ONCE ORDERED

Upon receipt of payment I will email you the very simple business package that will allow you to trade on the internet. You will be able to begin generating revenue immediately as the package is ready to go. All I ask is that you keep me informed of your progress. Although I do not offer on-going support as part of the sale I will help you as much as I can and if you are not entirely satisfied I will refund you the purchase price. Good luck. YNWA. Andrew.
       
Kop Talk © Copyright 2002

So Duncan, we know you read this, any comments for us? We are guessing this is your step-dad, Jeanette’s other half. Is there any scam you’ve not turned your hand to?

Koptalk want your idea. How can they get more of your money?

This was posted in the Koptalk “Gold” club tonight.

Dunk  KopTalk Editor
Reged: 20/08/04
Posts: 8095
Suggestions for next season – (lotto, pools etc)
#1533666 – 07/07/06 07:11 PM          Reply      Quote

Is there any other kind of thing you’d like us to enter next season?

We’ve got the lotto syndicate and the pools but I wondered if you wanted anything else?

I think that Millionaire coupon by Ladbrokes is pretty good.

Also, do you think we should vary the way the Lotto is done? We currently do Lucky Dips? Should we stick to set numbers based on LFC dates or anything else?

We don’t have much time to deal with these things so it needs to be workable.

Someone suggested earlier about running a comp/raffle/draw for an LFC share.

We could do this but we’d need just under £3100 i.e. 310 members x £10 max or another calculation.

I’ve also thought about doing a Christmas draw like we have down the local but it could be late to do this now as you need to get a few quid in to buy prizes and stuff. We pay 20p a square and all the money goes into prizes. Might think about this next year.

I also thought about us starting the season with say a £500 betting pot and we all (collectively through suggestions and polls), use that to place wagers during the season to see if we can get it up higher and split it or donate to charity e.g. HJC, Alder Hey etc (not Lauren’s cause before anyone starts raising their eyes!). I think this one would be a good idea.

Remember, this is your site and we’ll do what we can to make it fun and enjoyable.

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Let’s have a closer look.

Dunk asks, “Is there any other kind of thing you’d like us to enter next season?”  Maybe it’s just some sort of ringing in my ears, but I could have sworn I heard people shouting “the canal” or “prison” in the distance then.
He talks about having “the lotto syndicate and the pools” – but does he actually do them? Maybe it would be a good idea to ask him to prove that he actually does do these things. If he gets the lotto tickets when he’s down at the newsagents paying his paper bill (including 12 copies per week of the Sun) then he can prove it very easily. Every week, before the draw takes place, he can post a scan of the tickets on the site. It’s easy enough to tell if he’s tried faking the scan of the tickets. If he shows every week that he really is spending that amount of money on the lotto as he has claimed to do all of these years then it will go towards improving his shattered credibility. We’re trying to help you there Dunk – scan the lotto tickets every week and you’ll look less of a bare-faced-liar than you do right now. Don’t forget the season ticket scan while you’re at it.

Word of warning though fatty about this idea you have – “do you think we should vary the way the Lotto is done? We currently do Lucky Dips? Should we stick to set numbers based on LFC dates or anything else?” Sounds to us like you may be thinking this will get you out of having to prove you have bought the tickets. It won’t – you still need to scan them every time you buy them so people can check them out. And we’ve contacts at the pools companies by the way – I’m sure we could find out if a “Duncan Oldham” or “Del Johnson” does the pools each week. In fact most syndicate entries tend to have some kind of indication on them that they are a part of a syndicate, sometimes because the person running the syndicate wants to separate his own personal entries from his syndicate’s entries. So we’d expect to find entries for “Duncan Oldham – Koptalk” or similar. And how long have these entries (supposedly) been on for? In fact if you are telling the truth about the entries, you won’t mind members of your syndicate contacting the pools company directly just for confirmation will you? Is it Littlewoods, Vernons or Zetters? Let us know.

The next bit we highlight sounds also like a veiled attempt at trying to avoid having to show any proof – “We don’t have much time to deal with these things…” Well you do now don’t you fatty? You’ve just taken an extra member of staff on so you tell us. Her name’s very similar to your mum’s in pronunciation though, so careful you don’t mix them up! Still I’m sure that she’ll be able to help you in your cutting and pasting duties enough so that you can spend five minutes scanning a few bits of paper.

This one made us laugh a little bit. Sounds like Dunk fancies the idea of becoming an LFC shareholder. “Someone suggested earlier about running a comp/raffle/draw for an LFC share.” To save you some time Dunk I can already write the article for you for when you announce the winner: “Congratulations to Steven MacNeish of Wallsend, the lucky winner of our Koptalk LFC Share raffle.” Don’t ever say we don’t try and help you.

Next up Dunk says this about the idea of using his member’s money to help him keep feeding his gambling addiction – “donate to charity e.g. HJC, Alder Hey etc (not Lauren’s cause before anyone starts raising their eyes!).” Dunk’s visit to Liverpool last week jogged his memory about Alder Hey children’s hospital obviously, and his extreme PR cock-ups involving the Sun newspaper mean he’s desperate to try and win back some respect from the point of view of the HJC. Too late though really fatty, you’ve made it clear too often and too regularly that you have no respect for the views of all of those who were impacted by the Hillsborough tragedy. You support the Sun. And as for the mention of Lauren – you are criticised for that for so many reasons, no need to go into them all now, but why are all cheques for Lauren’s cause to be made payable to your mum? Why not Lauren, or Lauren’s parents, or even an account under the name of “Lauren Forsyth appeal fund”? If you aren’t bent (as in on the fiddle rather than homosexual) then you do yourself no favours with this sort of thing. In fact the cheques are to be made payable to “J Oldham”. I wonder how many of those cheques could have been easily changed to “D Oldham”?

Finally, entry number three from the Duncan Oldham book of clichés – “Remember, this is your site”. If that’s the case then why are we always banned for asking perfectly reasonable questions?

If this is one of your first visits to this blog and you have been given the impression (from Koptalk) that the blog is here only for reason of jealousy, you’ve been misinformed. To test it out, go onto Koptalk and ask the following questions:

1. Can Koptalk please post evidence of the purchase of Lotto entries from now on?
2. Can Koptalk please post evidence of their past pools entries, and future ones from now on?
3. Can Koptalk please explain why they say they might consider betting for the HJC yet continue to support the Sun? 
4. Can the Oldham family please explain why donations for Lauren Forsyth are to be made payable to “J Oldham”?
5. Will I be banned for asking these questions?
6. Will this thread be left open to allow others to discuss your answers?
7. Will those who discuss your answers be banned for any signs of dissent or disagreement with those answers?
8. Will you answer some other questions we have?

When you’ve asked them email us at koptalk.insider @ gmail.com and tell us how quickly you were banned.

Koptalk reveals new signing: The new Chloe

Thanks to one of our commenters, willrobbo, for posting this in a comment earlier. Not sure Fatty has said this because we’ve not even been on Koptalk ourselves yet. Which reminds me – don’t forget to send us anything you spot, in case we missed it. Is this the new Chloe? Does she even exist? Thanks Will…

We’re pleased to announce that as from Monday we will have a new face working at KOPTALK HQ. She goes by the name of Gianna and although she doesn’t officially start until after the weekend, she has been in the office this week learning the ropes. Gianna has been brought in to help with support issues following an increase in members to the koptalkinsider.com website this summer. We also hope to bring in some more new faces before the new season starts. We will then add a staff page to the main KOPTALK.COM site which will have mug shots of all of us and some blurb etc. We’ll also be setting up the office webcam which will be online 24/7.

We all know that this girl is either a) his cousin, b) fictional, c) an illegal immigrant or d) kidnapped. Should we run a sweep on how long it will take for one of those three things to be revealed as true?

Get all the latest Newcastle news at Koptalk.com

What the hell is this story doing as a main article on a Liverpool FC website?

Of course this is the Newcastle fan’s LFC site, so he’s as excited as a kid in a sweet shop. Or a glutton in a pie shop.

Newcastle chief in secret talks with Beckham
#1532463 – Fri Jul 07 2006 09:32 AM

The Daily Mail (British newspaper) today carries a full back page exclusive with the headline ‘NEWCASTLE GO FOR BECKHAM’.

Exclusive photographs of Newcastle chairman Freddy Shepherd leaving London Hotel Claridges followed by Victoria Beckham, are included with the report which says that Beckham was smuggled in and out through a different exit.

It is claimed that Newcastle are prepared to offer Beckham a deal worth £120,000-a-week to try and tempt him to Tyneside. They would also allow him to commute by helicopter each day from ‘Beckingham Palace’ in Hertfordshire.

We all know he’s a Newcastle season ticket holder, and we’re also 99.9% certain he’s no longer a Liverpool season ticket holder. He won’t rise to our challenge though and post us a photo or a scan of his season tickets to prove us wrong. He won’t even answer questions in case he drops himself in it -

Post: Centenary Stand?        (Topic#17178)
cater
Trialist
Posts: 2

      05-07-06 07:42 PM – Post#254701     

I have just changed my season ticket from the Anfield Road end to the lower Centenary. How many rows are there in the lower cent? I am on row 30 and I think there are 31 or 34 but I am just guessing?
     

Dunk
KopTalk Editor
Posts: 2033

Loc: KOPTALK
     05-07-06 07:52 PM – Post#254715     
    In response to cater

cater Said:
I have just changed my season ticket from the Anfield Road end to the lower Centenary. How many rows are there in the lower cent? I am on row 30 and I think there are 31 or 34 but I am just guessing?

Gone fishing

Things used to be so different – look at him claiming to buy fanzines in days gone by. This is from around February 2000. Nowadays he hates fanzines with a vengeance, especially now that their websites take sane (and insane) posters away from him.

L.F.C. Fanzines

A fanzine today is as important as the match day programme. There are several available and while people will have their favourites, I always make sure I have a copy of each. Below you will find the links to Liverpool fanzines, have a look and remember that you don’t have to be in the U.K. to get hold of a copy or subscription. If you contact these guys after learning about them on Kop Talk, please tell them !!

Red All Over The Land | Through The Wind And The Rain

Where’s the PG?

One of the people on the Insider site has been asking about what happened to one of the old contributors to the site. Dunk gets so excited at the idea that maybe this old contributor could start writing for him again that he messes up one of his answers. A poster had said, “I have a vague recollection of him demanding money for his column and Dunk telling him where to go…” but rather than deny any such thing had happened, fatty just said, “Nah, wasn’t him.” In fact it gives an insight into something fatty would have been saying about one of the other writers for his site. From what we’ve heard, fatty never liked to actually keep his promises to pay a fee to his writers, and when word got out then no doubt he’d have put some of his trademark bullshit into play.

PG Rants was a very funny (sometimes) section on Koptalk in days gone by, and was written by Paul Graham, AKA Athur Thacker. How Dunk would love him back again…

nottsgriff
Gold Member

Reged: Jun 11 2004
Posts: 463

Anyone remember PG Rants?
#1530589 – Thu Jul 06 2006 11:42 AM          Reply      Quote

If so does anyone know what happened to the bloke who used to write it? (was his name Paul Graham?)

I have a vague recollection of him demanding money for his column and Dunk telling him where to go (sorry if I got this bit wrong) but I wondered if he’s still around on this or any other forum? He used to be quite funny…
Post Extras:

Did Dunk use new tactic to trick Rich?

Fatty went to the races some time earlier in the summer with Rich Tea, a moderator of his. When they were there, Dunk got a text off “one of his contacts” about the investment. You know the topic he really hates? Yes, the one he finds boring. This text was really handy, it was received in the presence of a real person he wasn’t related to, and it bought him some time.

Some of the insider people have been discussing it…

Dave100
Honorary Member

Reged: Oct 23 2003
Posts: 4590
Loc: Wigan

Well Dunk………….we’re into July……any signs?
#1521788 – Sun Jul 02 2006 11:03 AM          Reply      Quote

……….of an update on the delayed investment announcement from May?

Was it the beginning or end of July when your contact at the club said that we might hear something?

Any update would be most appreciated.
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Right-click lie repeated by paranoid Oldham

Fatty finally answered the question about highlighting. It seems he is sticking with his stock answer as to why right-clicking is disabled. The more windows of Koptalk a user has open on his computer the more strain it puts onto the Koptalk server. We’ve covered this before Dunk – it’s a lie and it’s not even a slightly convincing one.

Dunk
KopTalk Editor

Reged: Aug 20 2004
Posts: 8066

Re: Problem affecting this forum  [Re: Steve Warren]
#1531376 – Thu Jul 06 2006 05:26 PM          Reply

Quote:

I reckon dunk has got a bit para about people posting stuff on other forums. It is a pain in the a-hole though…..

Also, Mumsy, You were missed kidder! dont let it happen again!

The no right-click has been there for years. It’s nothing to do with copying, it’s to try and limit the amount of windows that people open by right-clicking and clicking open. Of course people can still do this but not all the newbies know how to.

As for the other problem about been unable to post, after a set while of no activity while creating a post, it returns an error message when you post. I believe this is a bug of some kind. It only appeared following the upgrade of the forum software.
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Next up, Fatty answers a question about Gerard Houllier by saying GH and RF didn’t get on. He doesn’t mention the Blue Bar and his attempted smear campaign against Robbie Fowler prior to Robbie’s departure for Leeds.

Dunk
KopTalk Editor

Reged: Aug 20 2004
Posts: 8066

Re: Question about a Houllier quote  [Re: DKDan]
#1532014 – Thu Jul 06 2006 10:53 PM          Reply      Quote

Quote:

I fell over this quote from Houllier:

“We don’t destroy our heroes today when we worshipped them yesterday.”

Does anybody know in what relation he said the above? Im curious…

I’m sure this was about Robbie (even though there’d been an atmosphere between them).
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